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I was thinking about this the other day & I think right now we would only be sitting with 2-3 wins if we had Pennington still QBing...What do you guys think?
What would our record be with Chad P?
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Not really sure, and at this point I really don't want to speculate. We all new Henne was the future, and I think the franchise is better off getting him experience this year instead of waiting until 2010.
Ricky_Fan34
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I don't think we'd be 5-5. I'm as bif of a Chad Pennington supporter as anyone, but I feel like with Henne currently playing so well, I don't things would have been any better with Chad Pennington, and that pains me to say it. Chad pennington is a class act and was the heart and soul of our team. Hard to see him go down the way he did.
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I'm not really sure actual numbers but I think we would have a worse record.
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Who cares. Henne's Team, Henne's Time. Penny was a good/great 1 yr stop gap.
I find it interesting the majority so far in this thread say we would be worse (record wise) with Penny.
It's funny to me because Henne is playing just like Pennington only he is making more mistakes (not alot) then Penny.
At worse we would be 5-5 with Penny. We might have won that NO game with Penny too the SD game might have ended differently too.
Henne has not made any throws so far that Penny couldn't make minus a 13 yard out to Bes. Other then that Panny was making all the same throws last year.
I am not saying Henne doesn't have a stronger arm. Let's face it he does. All I am saying is watching Henne right now almost eerily resembles watching penny only with a few more mistakes i.e. Penny never makes that throw against TB that almost cost us the game.
I think we would be 6-4 with penny right now. But it's good that Henne is getting the experience now. It will give enough time and experience to truly judge him on.
It's funny to me because Henne is playing just like Pennington only he is making more mistakes (not alot) then Penny.
At worse we would be 5-5 with Penny. We might have won that NO game with Penny too the SD game might have ended differently too.
Henne has not made any throws so far that Penny couldn't make minus a 13 yard out to Bes. Other then that Panny was making all the same throws last year.
I am not saying Henne doesn't have a stronger arm. Let's face it he does. All I am saying is watching Henne right now almost eerily resembles watching penny only with a few more mistakes i.e. Penny never makes that throw against TB that almost cost us the game.
I think we would be 6-4 with penny right now. But it's good that Henne is getting the experience now. It will give enough time and experience to truly judge him on.
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Call BS. Henne has made alot of throws that Penny couldn't make. People see it with there eyes and can judge for themselves.
As for the part looking like Penny, during the preseason I'd agree. Now its Henne 2.0. People are so hung up over Penny they project what they want from Henne.
Henne's Team, Henne's Time.
Ricky_Fan34
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The reason I though we would have a worse record than we do now with pennington, was because Pennington had not been playing well in 09. Henne really hasn't had a bad game yet. His worst game was against New Orleans. 2 picks, both of which I can't fully blame on him. Pick #1- Pass to Ted Ginn where it bounced of his hands, and then Picked off, that one's on Ted Ginn. Pick #2- It was obviously a miscomunication between the QB and the WR. Who's fault it was, we have no idea. Clearly Henne though Henne though the reciever was going outside instead of in.
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So, Penny would of made those bombs to Ted Ginn against the Jets? Therefore, spreading out the defense. I think Henne, makes the defense have to cover the whole field. That just wasn't the case with Penny.
Ricky_Fan34
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That Bomb* it was only one unless I'm mistaken.
Yes he would have like he did against Seattle last year.
Besides I think we have seen this year that neither Henne nor Penny was the problem with the deep game.
Henne is too erratic with his deep balls right now anyway to truly judge him. As of now I will chalk it up as him obly being 7 games into his career and he will get better.
This is an interesting debate though. It is no doubt Henne has the stronger arm. However, it doesn't show up in the stat books that Henne is producing better.
Henne may hit the occasional bomb or 2 that Penny most likely wouldn't have. But Penny would have hit the 3 or 4 20-30 yard passes that Henne misses.
So it really comes down to pick your poison
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Probably one win better. 6-4.
Henne played well against the Jets monday night in the 4th quarter but did nothing the second game. Hard to lose when you have two kick returns and a defensive return for touchdowns.
I'd venture to say that we may have pulled off the New Orleans win and kept everything else even. When it became a Henne and Brees bullet for bullet game, I'd rather have taken my chances with Pennington. In any case, Henne has done are wonderful job at keeping the ship sailing smoothly. I'm appreciative.
Henne played well against the Jets monday night in the 4th quarter but did nothing the second game. Hard to lose when you have two kick returns and a defensive return for touchdowns.
I'd venture to say that we may have pulled off the New Orleans win and kept everything else even. When it became a Henne and Brees bullet for bullet game, I'd rather have taken my chances with Pennington. In any case, Henne has done are wonderful job at keeping the ship sailing smoothly. I'm appreciative.
I understand what you are saying. But it's not like Penny was playing horrific either. Remember he was 1 Ted Ginn drop away from the Phins beating the Colts.
Also when I say Henne reminds me of Penny it's a good thing. I will never argue that Penny had the stronger arm. He doesn't Henne does and will eventually be able to make throws that Penny couldn't
Henne is playing smart and checking down quite often. He is not losing games for the Phins.
But if anyone SERIOUSLY thinks Henne is making all these throws that Penny didn't is not really paying attention. If he was, he wouldn't be averaging less then 200 yards passing a game.
Henne is showing some definite promise. But alot of his throws over 15 yards are leaving alot to be desired. Like I said over 30 yards Henne in the end will probably do better the Penny with the stronger arm. But so far this year, Henne is no where near as accurate as Penny was on those 15-30 yard passes.
On pass plays between 20-40 yards Henne is 1 for 17.
Last year Penny was 13-30 in that same category. Went 4-5 on 30-40 yards in the air where Henne is 0-4 so far this season.
In the air over 40 yards Penny was 2-4 where Henne is 1-3.
On the passes 11-20 yards Penny in 132 attempts was at 54.5%. Henne in 45 attempts is under 49%
So not only was Penny more accurate on 20-40 yards in the air. Penny was also more accurate on passes between 11-20 yards in the air
In 68 attempts on balls between 11 and 40 yards in the air Henne has 0 TD'S and 2 INT'S. iN 162 attempts Penny had 12 TD'S and 5 INT'S.
So some people (Not you) on this site need to get realistic and look at the facts. Henne may have a stronger arm but the results show that Penny was still more accurate on ALL BALLS that travelled anywhere from 11-40 yards in the air.
So once again, when I stated Henne reminded me of Penny it's a good thing. He is just making a couple more mistakes then Penny would.
josekareh
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I say 4-6
most of the games we have lost, were because of our D
most of the games we have lost, were because of our D