Whats with everyones Derek Anderson man-crush???

[levv151]

Ok, don't get me wrong here; Derek Anderson did a great job in Cleveland last year. He is 24 years old; he threw almost 30 TD's last year BUT also threw 19 picks... his completion % was only 56.5 and he had a 82.5 rating. (McNab had a better rating coming back from reconstructive knee surgery and had 19 TD's to only 7 pick's with a HORRIBLE receiving crew; only really Brian Westbrook to rely on):up:

I guess my confusion comes in where I keep hearing of our interest in Anderson and since he is a RFA him costing the fins a 1st and 3rd rounder.

Now he is only 3 years in the league and could end up being great; that is a pretty steep price to pay for a guy who had one great year.

Also, he had Braylon Edwards; who we all know was going to be a stud WR and proved that with a break-out year of 1,200+ receiving yds and 16 TD's. Couple that with a TE who has a big mouth and ego; but also did a great job w/ 82 receptions and 1,100+ yds; and you can see why he did so well. and Jurevicius was a great help...And with a much improved O-line; (tackles avging 6'4", and 315+lbs and Joe Thomas is well, enough said...he's a beast!!)

Jamal Lewis also avg'd about 4.5 yds a carry. All this adds up to one thing IMO; his supporting cast was strong enough to help him produce. Plug him into the talentless ses-pool that we currently have with "Drops" Hagen and David Martin (just threw up in my mouth, sorry) and the unproven Ginn Family, and I bet Mr. Anderson would be looking at a different outcome to his 2007 breakout stats. Again, I could be totally wrong, i'm just saying that if we give up a 1st and 3rd for this guy; and it doesn't work out; we just gave up a lot for another QB failure...

You're thoughts???? :foundout::foundout::foundout:

 

[Fin-Fan-13]

Ok, don't get me wrong here; Derek Anderson did a great job in Cleveland last year. He is 24 years old; he threw almost 30 TD's last year BUT also threw 19 picks... his completion % was only 56.5 and he had a 82.5 rating. (McNab had a better rating coming back from reconstructive knee surgery and had 19 TD's to only 7 pick's with a HORRIBLE receiving crew; only really Brian Westbrook to rely on):up:

I guess my confusion comes in where I keep hearing of our interest in Anderson and since he is a RFA him costing the fins a 1st and 3rd rounder.

Now he is only 3 years in the league and could end up being great; that is a pretty steep price to pay for a guy who had one great year.

Also, he had Braylon Edwards; who we all know was going to be a stud WR and proved that with a break-out year of 1,200+ receiving yds and 16 TD's. Couple that with a TE who has a big mouth and ego; but also did a great job w/ 82 receptions and 1,100+ yds; and you can see why he did so well. and Jurevicius was a great help...And with a much improved O-line; (tackles avging 6'4", and 315+lbs and Joe Thomas is well, enough said...he's a beast!!)

Jamal Lewis also avg'd about 4.5 yds a carry. All this adds up to one thing IMO; his supporting cast was strong enough to help him produce. Plug him into the talentless ses-pool that we currently have with "Drops" Hagen and David Martin (just threw up in my mouth, sorry) and the unproven Ginn Family, and I bet Mr. Anderson would be looking at a different outcome to his 2007 breakout stats. Again, I could be totally wrong, i'm just saying that if we give up a 1st and 3rd for this guy; and it doesn't work out; we just gave up a lot for another QB failure...

You're thoughts???? :foundout::foundout::foundout:

I agree. Not worth that price.

 

[UltraDol-Fan]

I like him because for a young guy he has developed into a big name in a hurry. Not many 24 year olds can play at the level he did, and he should get better from here. Not saying he's worth a 1st and 3rd, but I would love to have him here.

 

[PYRO]

I'm all for Derek Anderson, as long as he stays away from Miami :)

 

[dolpns13]

Im saying that IF we do go QB, he would be a better option than MR because firstly, we would be spending the pick anyways, second, it would be better to give up the pick for a player who has shown SOMETHING, rather than a player who has shown NOTHING, and thirdly, the savings from not spending 35 million garaunteed for a guy who has done nothing is savings all in itself...

I am all for Beck getting the starting nod ... This is just a hypothetical, what if we were to go in a different QB path notion

 

[texasPHINSfan]

he's a 24 year-old probowler. I think IF we were actually interested in him, we could work out some sort of trade that would not quite be our 1st and 3rd.... possibly more reasonable.

I am not HUGE on bringing DA here, but for all those people who want us to draft Matt Ryan with the #1 overall, i'd rather have DA for a very similar price with the experience and ready-to-start ability.

 

[Roman529]

I bet if we trade down with Dallas we could get Anderson from the Browns for ONE first round pick...they are not going to pay Brady Quinn to continue holding the clipboard in Cleveland.....a late first would be worth it for Anderson but not a first and a third. I think Anderson has just as good a future as Matt Ryan, Brohm, Brennan or Beck.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

I bet if we trade down with Dallas we could get Anderson from the Browns for ONE first round pick...they are not going to pay Brady Quinn to continue holding the clipboard in Cleveland.....a late first would be worth it for Anderson but not a first and a third. I think Anderson has just as good a future as Matt Ryan, Brohm, Brennan or Beck.

Brennan? Yeah, if you're talking the CFL... :up:

 

[levv151]

Im saying that IF we do go QB, he would be a better option than MR because firstly, we would be spending the pick anyways, second, it would be better to give up the pick for a player who has shown SOMETHING, rather than a player who has shown NOTHING, and thirdly, the savings from not spending 35 million garaunteed for a guy who has done nothing is savings all in itself...

I am all for Beck getting the starting nod ... This is just a hypothetical, what if we were to go in a different QB path notion

I agree that he is an intriguing option; I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things; if you're gambling away a 1st and 3rd on a guy that had a good year with great talent around him; then why not also gamble on a guy that is unproven...either way you're gambling but one is going to cost you two picks vs. one...; I don't think we'll end up with either; i'm just saying I'd rather waste a 2nd on McNabb who is proven...but that's just me...

 

[Myles Fynch]

I would prefer to go with the trifecta of Todd Collins (starter), backup John Beck, and a drafted rookie at QB for 2008. This plan is cheaper, and I believe it would ultimately be more successful for our team.

Collins played well for Washington last year. He makes good decisions, leads his receivers well, and displays good accuracy. This approach would save our picks (vs. the Anderson scenario), save a high pick and cash (vs. the $35mil Matt Ryan scenario), give Beck another year to prepare for a starters role OR for the team to decide to move him in 2009, and we would have a new rookie to develop for the future.

When I look around the league at our available options, this is one of the few I'd be happy about. Grossman, Culpepper, Pennington, or give up the ranch for Anderson or Ryan? No thanks.

 

[BobDole]

everyone has a man crush on him because we have desperately needed a QB for like 10 years now and everyone is grabbing at straws trying to find the next best thing to marino. yeah, the guy really isn't that good. accuracy? eh. experience? eh. upside? tremendous. he is young and showed that he can produce for a team that has sucked forever it seems like. can he be molded into a parcells QB? that is for parcells to know and us to argue, over the internet mind you, about.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

I agree that he is an intriguing option; I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things; if you're gambling away a 1st and 3rd on a guy that had a good year with great talent around him; then why not also gamble on a guy that is unproven...either way you're gambling but one is going to cost you two picks vs. one...; I don't think we'll end up with either; i'm just saying I'd rather waste a 2nd on McNabb who is proven...but that's just me...

i couldn't disagree with you more...

Anderson did well with a good supporting cast; which means if we build a similar talent-laden cast around him here, we'd be ok. Keep in mind Derek Anderson played 4 games in 2006 with the struggling team, and still did well 3 out of those 4 games.... Ryan hasn't proven ANYthing... at this point he could be the next Peyton Manning or the next Ryan Leaf - now THAT is a gamble.

Then you talk about McNabb, who is more hot/cold than any QB the NFL has ever seen, hasn't had a healthy season since 2003, and has only played 3 complete seasons out of 9 he's been in the league. no thanks!

 

[dolpns13]

I agree that he is an intriguing option; I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things; if you're gambling away a 1st and 3rd on a guy that had a good year with great talent around him; then why not also gamble on a guy that is unproven...either way you're gambling but one is going to cost you two picks vs. one...; I don't think we'll end up with either; i'm just saying I'd rather waste a 2nd on McNabb who is proven...but that's just me...

I think it would be a bigger gamble giving a 2nd for McNabb than a 1st and a 3rd for Anderson... And Im a huge Mcnabb fan too... I just think its the safer, and smarter bet to go with the guy who is proven than take a risk on a guy who is not

 

[Dfan06]

i couldn't disagree with you more...

Anderson did well with a good supporting cast; which means if we build a similar talent-laden cast around him here, we'd be ok. Keep in mind Derek Anderson played 4 games in 2006 with the struggling team, and still did well 3 out of those 4 games.... Ryan hasn't proven ANYthing... at this point he could be the next Peyton Manning or the next Ryan Leaf - now THAT is a gamble.

Then you talk about McNabb, who is more hot/cold than any QB the NFL has ever seen, hasn't had a healthy season since 2003, and has only played 3 complete seasons out of 9 he's been in the league. no thanks!

You must have not seen the probowl the guy was just throwing balls that were totally off mark. His ball we too high or sail over the receivers head. I don't want him at all. Let's just stay with what we have. If Beck doesn't work out we can draft a Chase Daniel.

 

[Roman529]

everyone has a man crush on him because we have desperately needed a QB for like 10 years now and everyone is grabbing at straws trying to find the next best thing to marino. yeah, the guy really isn't that good. accuracy? eh. experience? eh. upside? tremendous. he is young and showed that he can produce for a team that has sucked forever it seems like. can he be molded into a parcells QB? that is for parcells to know and us to argue, over the internet mind you, about.

I agree about his upside potential. Many people gave up on Steve Young when he went to the USFL and also when he was with the Tampa Bay Bucaneers, but once he was surrounded with a little talent in San Francisco, he became a Hall of Fame QB. Everyone is talking about Braylon Edwards like he is some kind of great receiver in Cleveland, but he will never be confused with Jerry Rice. Give Anderson some decent players around him and I think he will be a very good QB. :wink: