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We have not seen spped like this in a long time. Defenses are going to have heart failure.
 
Dolfansal said:
We have not seen spped like this in a long time. Defenses are going to have heart failure.
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OK, Lorenzo posted a 4.46/40.

Here's a list from this years draft class that posted times as fast or faster:

Peterson 4.40
Lynch 4.46
Pittman 4.40
Irons 4.45
Henry 4.40
Wolfe 4.40
Battle 4.42
Terry 4.42

There were many others who were within 1 second:

Leanord 4.52
Wynn 4.47
Jackson 4.54
Walker 4.55
Smith 4.50
Bradshaw 4.55
Coleman 4.49
Taylor 4.50
Merriweather 4.52
Dawson 4.52
Hairston 4.55
Banks 4.52
Buckley 4.56
Lewis 4.51

Seems to me that most of the top draft prospects ran as fast or faster, and most of the second and third tier prospects were nearly just as fast. I fail to see how Booker, who didn't even have a great college career, is going to give defenses "heart failure".



 
i am not saying booker is going to be anything special... but he has jittery quickness... he can do some amazing things...
 
Phanatical said:
OK, Lorenzo posted a 4.46/40.

Here's a list from this years draft class that posted times as fast or faster:

Peterson 4.40
Lynch 4.46
Pittman 4.40
Irons 4.45
Henry 4.40
Wolfe 4.40
Battle 4.42
Terry 4.42

There were many others who were within 1 second:

Leanord 4.52
Wynn 4.47
Jackson 4.54
Walker 4.55
Smith 4.50
Bradshaw 4.55
Coleman 4.49
Taylor 4.50
Merriweather 4.52
Dawson 4.52
Hairston 4.55
Banks 4.52
Buckley 4.56
Lewis 4.51

Seems to me that most of the top draft prospects ran as fast or faster, and most of the second and third tier prospects were nearly just as fast. I fail to see how Booker, who didn't even have a great college career, is going to give defenses "heart failure".
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The second group of numbers were within 1/10 of a second
not much difference in 1/10 of a second
but I agree with you other teams have speed and defensive coordinators
haven't been quiting football for that reason:unsure:
 
Phanatical said:
OK, Lorenzo posted a 4.46/40.

Here's a list from this years draft class that posted times as fast or faster:

Peterson 4.40
Lynch 4.46
Pittman 4.40
Irons 4.45
Henry 4.40
Wolfe 4.40
Battle 4.42
Terry 4.42

There were many others who were within 1 second:

Leanord 4.52
Wynn 4.47
Jackson 4.54
Walker 4.55
Smith 4.50
Bradshaw 4.55
Coleman 4.49
Taylor 4.50
Merriweather 4.52
Dawson 4.52
Hairston 4.55
Banks 4.52
Buckley 4.56
Lewis 4.51

Seems to me that most of the top draft prospects ran as fast or faster, and most of the second and third tier prospects were nearly just as fast. I fail to see how Booker, who didn't even have a great college career, is going to give defenses "heart failure".
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Do you have a list of current or recent Dolphins that are 4.46 or faster in the 40? Also Booker was at FSU who had their worst offensive coaching and production in memory. They paid their OC to go away mid-season. And never forget there is a difference in football speed and track speed. Booker is fast, what that means we will see.
 
Phanatical said:
OK, Lorenzo posted a 4.46/40.

Here's a list from this years draft class that posted times as fast or faster:

Peterson 4.40
Lynch 4.46
Pittman 4.40
Irons 4.45
Henry 4.40
Wolfe 4.40
Battle 4.42
Terry 4.42

There were many others who were within 1 second:

Leanord 4.52
Wynn 4.47
Jackson 4.54
Walker 4.55
Smith 4.50
Bradshaw 4.55
Coleman 4.49
Taylor 4.50
Merriweather 4.52
Dawson 4.52
Hairston 4.55
Banks 4.52
Buckley 4.56
Lewis 4.51

Seems to me that most of the top draft prospects ran as fast or faster, and most of the second and third tier prospects were nearly just as fast. I fail to see how Booker, who didn't even have a great college career, is going to give defenses "heart failure".
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Even thought the thread starter should have said "quickness" rather than speed in Lo Booker's case, don't get caught up in semantics. Booker's quicks are the real deal, maybe the quickest Dolphin I've ever seen- I saw him at minicamp, truly amazing- his teammates are raving about it, and he will be a match up nightmare in the NFL. Book it.
 
Tim1958 said:
Do you have a list of current or recent Dolphins that are 4.46 or faster in the 40? Also Booker was at FSU who had their worst offensive coaching and production in memory. They paid their OC to go away mid-season. And never forget there is a difference in football speed and track speed. Booker is fast, what that means we will see.
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and so is Ginn... you can take all these underware numbers and forget them. The REAL deal is what happens with the pads on, I think Lobook is pretty shifty and quick "in pads" and has enough speed so that one angle error means big gains... I have very little problem with my running back being caught from behind by a corner, good things have already happened.

and Ginn... well, that kid has an overdrive in pads that is rare, and I think we are going to have a blast watching him.
 
Dolfansal said:
We have not seen spped like this in a long time. Defenses are going to have heart failure.
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I have no desire to post data from a meat auction experiment like Phinatical, 1) because most of them are not going to be on the field at the same time as Lobo and Ginn, AND 2) football speed is different than timed speed, and Lobo definitely has the football speed.

But I can remark about what Dolphin defensive players have said about Lobo. They have said that he is lightening quick and "when he gets the ball, it's like a starter pistol just went off, cause everything is a foot race from there. Lobo is faster than almost anyone else on this team." (obviously except for Ginn). (That's a quote from Channing Crowder)

But Dolfansal, you are right in the sense that when opposing defensive players anticipate you will be getting the ball, they're always going to take a fake harder because they know they need a head start to the cutoff angle. They know without the head start, at worst, they will most likely get beat for a TD, and at best, may give up 10 or 15 yards on the play.

Remember two years ago when Linehan had Chambers doing reverses? Some worked and some didn't. Some didn't because, while good, Chambers' speed is not great. I can see Lobo starting a reverse in one direction and everyone on the defense committing that way, and Ginn bringing it back the other.

On the other hand, I like the idea that most teams (especially in our division) don't know much about Lobo yet. Many veterans can be somewhat dismissive toward rookies, not respecting their speed or abilities until they get beat. Then, it's like "Holy Crap! What just happened here?"

With speed from both Ginn and Lobo, its like having a double-barrel shotgun. And I can't wait to shoot it.
 
Our offense is much faster then last year. We are going to surprise alot of teams early, and when word gets out, teams will look at the Phins and know they are in a battle that week. Our defense will be a stone wall and our offense will be, at least, something teams aren't used to seeing from the Dolphins. Things will be interesting to say the least this year.
 
FinFilbert said:
On the other hand, I like the idea that most teams (especially in our division) don't know much about Lobo yet. Many veterans can be somewhat dismissive toward rookies, not respecting their speed or abilities until they get beat. Then, it's like "Holy Crap! What just happened here?"

With speed from both Ginn and Lobo, its like having a double-barrel shotgun. And I can't wait to shoot it.
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nice post... I think that "holy crap" stuff has already happened.. our guys have been wowed.
 
cnc66 said:
nice post... I think that "holy crap" stuff has already happened.. our guys have been wowed.
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Thanks CNC66...I am looking forward to seeing that "Holy Crap" expression 13 different times this upcoming season. To me, it will be like the Ground Hog Day movie. :beer1:
 
I know every one here in fin heaven talks about the speed. I do not know if that is because you have lacked it for so many years.

But do you understand that th game has gotten much faster and even though you have a fast guy Ginn, and a quick guy Booker that defenses are much faster as well.
 
Phanatical said:


Seems to me that most of the top draft prospects ran as fast or faster, and most of the second and third tier prospects were nearly just as fast. I fail to see how Booker, who didn't even have a great college career, is going to give defenses "heart failure".
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thank u finally someone who thinks like me
 
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