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I would like to take this oppertunity to point out the fact that we have been in need of an offensive line for about 4-5 years now. Fans were furious at Wanny for neevr going out and building up an offensive line. Then Coach Saban comes in and in his first year we see the same patterns of no Oline being drafted or picked up. I for one looked at it as gorwing pains. It's the guy's first year here and in pros no big deal, I gave him a free pass as I feel many others did. Then this year rolls around. As usual the threads start up of needing secondary blah blah blah and wr's. I got torn apart for doubting all the people on this message board for saying oline was the way to go. I was called everythign under the sun saying I was retarted etc. Now I look on a thread and the majority of the people all think we need oline. Well I like to say I told you so to all you people. All you people used Jay as the scapegoat and now will use Daunte as one as well, when in reality Marino couldn't throw behind this god aweful line. Is our coach is too stupid to realize this problem I say go to Bama we don't need you or your SEC players. Take Brown and Allen w/ you back to the SEC. If there is a god we will either get a coach that will address actual needs or maybe the coach we have now won't vear from the original plan. What ever happened to Winston Justice? The Eagles really got the best of us, I live in PA and god do they laugh at us. They knew we wanted Andrews 2 years ago so they trade up to get him, what do we do? Nothing. Then we pass on Justice and trade a pick for a third round qb. WTF is wrong w/ this organization? Maybe Coach Riley should coach the fins.
 
I realize that, but you would think in 5 years we would make an effort. Many FA on the market this year, aside from Carey when was the last time we drafted some1 in the first 3 rounds? I realize it isn't an overngiht process, but in 5 years to not aquire one decent Olineman is ridiculas.
 
I think that Saban knows he has the best OL coach in the league, so he invests in other team's weaknesses.
 
ashtoncvsg said:
I would like to take this oppertunity to point out the fact that we have been in need of an offensive line for about 4-5 years now. Fans were furious at Wanny for neevr going out and building up an offensive line. Then Coach Saban comes in and in his first year we see the same patterns of no Oline being drafted or picked up. I for one looked at it as gorwing pains. It's the guy's first year here and in pros no big deal, I gave him a free pass as I feel many others did. Then this year rolls around. As usual the threads start up of needing secondary blah blah blah and wr's. I got torn apart for doubting all the people on this message board for saying oline was the way to go. I was called everythign under the sun saying I was retarted etc. Now I look on a thread and the majority of the people all think we need oline. Well I like to say I told you so to all you people. All you people used Jay as the scapegoat and now will use Daunte as one as well, when in reality Marino couldn't throw behind this god aweful line. Is our coach is too stupid to realize this problem I say go to Bama we don't need you or your SEC players. Take Brown and Allen w/ you back to the SEC. If there is a god we will either get a coach that will address actual needs or maybe the coach we have now won't vear from the original plan. What ever happened to Winston Justice? The Eagles really got the best of us, I live in PA and god do they laugh at us. They knew we wanted Andrews 2 years ago so they trade up to get him, what do we do? Nothing. Then we pass on Justice and trade a pick for a third round qb. WTF is wrong w/ this organization? Maybe Coach Riley should coach the fins.

wow...started out ok...and I agree with the contention we need to improve our o-line...but then you get into your "I hate Nick" rant and the whole thing goes down the tubes... another one star thread IMO
 
OL needs youth and lower picks work out,NE oline is all 4th rounders and below.Dan koppen their center is a 5th rounder.It takes to time to develop a line to work together so first you need to get a few young guys and coach them up.It takes time and they have to be kept together for more than 2 season to see good signal calling and assignment pickup and blitz regonization and neutralization.

But as with 2/3 of the league every one wants to get a 1 good OL and suddenly develop a skill to work as a team wiith 5 people the center is the signal caller and that is where you start.Not going to happen overnight.Also most OL is a slow deveopling process.Under blitzing they are working together swapping assigments on blocks and this comes with time not overnight with 1 big FA.
 
ashtoncvsg said:
I would like to take this oppertunity to point out the fact that we have been in need of an offensive line for about 4-5 years now. Fans were furious at Wanny for neevr going out and building up an offensive line. Then Coach Saban comes in and in his first year we see the same patterns of no Oline being drafted or picked up. I for one looked at it as gorwing pains. It's the guy's first year here and in pros no big deal, I gave him a free pass as I feel many others did. Then this year rolls around. As usual the threads start up of needing secondary blah blah blah and wr's. I got torn apart for doubting all the people on this message board for saying oline was the way to go. I was called everythign under the sun saying I was retarted etc. Now I look on a thread and the majority of the people all think we need oline. Well I like to say I told you so to all you people. All you people used Jay as the scapegoat and now will use Daunte as one as well, when in reality Marino couldn't throw behind this god aweful line. Is our coach is too stupid to realize this problem I say go to Bama we don't need you or your SEC players. Take Brown and Allen w/ you back to the SEC. If there is a god we will either get a coach that will address actual needs or maybe the coach we have now won't vear from the original plan. What ever happened to Winston Justice? The Eagles really got the best of us, I live in PA and god do they laugh at us. They knew we wanted Andrews 2 years ago so they trade up to get him, what do we do? Nothing. Then we pass on Justice and trade a pick for a third round qb. WTF is wrong w/ this organization? Maybe Coach Riley should coach the fins.

If I recall correctly, the Andrews draft was the same draft we grabbed Carey a few picks later. I also recall our GM getting roasted for moving up a few picks to get Carey after Andrews was taken off the board.

And now? Well, I'm starting to hear rumblings about Carey being one of the best underrated lineman in the league.... his name is also being mentioned in remote Pro Bowl balloting conversations.....

And there is still complaining?

Rex Hadnot's exact best position on the line has yet to be determined. But, I believe it is safe to say most people believe he is a good overall component to this line. We just need to determine his final position. Not too mention his C/G flexibility is a huge asset.

Shelton has made some improvement after moving to G. Again, his role is not yet concrete, but he appears to be another good overall component for us. His G/T flexibility is also a huge asset.

Jeno, while his play has rarely been stellar is consistent. However, it appears this year he is starting to fall off a bit. DMac, McKinney, etc, etc.... all have their good points. And bad. But, they make for good flexible depth.

It appears right now, the left side is in need of an overhaul. However, it appears we have 3/5 of the line addressed. Is it complete? No, but, it's better than were we've been in the past.

Hudson was tasked with building a line, from rags. That includes depth. If you look at 9 roster spots and analyze what he's done.... he has 6 or 7 solid guys that all provide interchangeable parts that can give consistent play. Better than we've had in years.

Now, I think he needs 2 more drafts to finish the job. We need LG, LT, another G/T and C/G flex depth guys. Implying we take the 5 best of our current guys and find 4 more equally talented, or better, guys to add to it.

Then, FINALLY, we would have our complete OLine rotation. Then of course, you start cherry picking additions in the years to come until you have a completely polished unit.

But, there are 53 men on this team and 7 draft picks a year. And considering the talent impact we are searching for on the OLine AND the general availability of that talent on the FA market, I'd say we've done a good job in a short period of time. And I might add that Spielman picked a few of those guys. You know, the "bum" who couldn't draft (in the 1 year he was given to do it).


This too shall pass.
 
hes just someone talking out his butt without a clue how to run a football team. reason 1 why ur a fan and not a gm/coach.

and there are only like 20 good lineman
and the top 5 teams hold about 15 of those.

obv just making numbers off the top of my head, but this guy thinks that oline are just there to draft. and if he is saying take an oline over ronnie brown, id hate to see who would be are starting RB if we took a lineman over him.


but thats just me.
 
NathanHunt said:
If I recall correctly, the Andrews draft was the same draft we grabbed Carey a few picks later. I also recall our GM getting roasted for moving up a few picks to get Carey after Andrews was taken off the board.
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This too shall pass.

Nice post. We traded a 4th rounder to move up one spot to get Carey though.
 
*sigh* Everybody in thh league wants to improve the O-line at least in some areas and our O-line isn't doing as bad as most thought they were doing. When you give CP 5 seconds to throw the ball and he still gets sacked the blame isn't the O-line. All that does is start to kill the morale in teh oline because they get the blame for 7 sacks in a game when they did everything right. This teams O-line is not as bad as most would think. Why do you think they started to get better when Harrington went in.Because Joey threw the ball when he was supposed to and didn't hold on to it. It is already decent and it isn't worth spending a first round pick when it is not needed as much.
 
ashtoncvsg said:
I would like to take this oppertunity to point out the fact that we have been in need of an offensive line for about 4-5 years now. Fans were furious at Wanny for neevr going out and building up an offensive line. Then Coach Saban comes in and in his first year we see the same patterns of no Oline being drafted or picked up. I for one looked at it as gorwing pains. It's the guy's first year here and in pros no big deal, I gave him a free pass as I feel many others did. Then this year rolls around. As usual the threads start up of needing secondary blah blah blah and wr's. I got torn apart for doubting all the people on this message board for saying oline was the way to go. I was called everythign under the sun saying I was retarted etc. Now I look on a thread and the majority of the people all think we need oline. Well I like to say I told you so to all you people. All you people used Jay as the scapegoat and now will use Daunte as one as well, when in reality Marino couldn't throw behind this god aweful line. Is our coach is too stupid to realize this problem I say go to Bama we don't need you or your SEC players. Take Brown and Allen w/ you back to the SEC. If there is a god we will either get a coach that will address actual needs or maybe the coach we have now won't vear from the original plan. What ever happened to Winston Justice? The Eagles really got the best of us, I live in PA and god do they laugh at us. They knew we wanted Andrews 2 years ago so they trade up to get him, what do we do? Nothing. Then we pass on Justice and trade a pick for a third round qb. WTF is wrong w/ this organization? Maybe Coach Riley should coach the fins.


Your first line is fine.

Then you go right downhill quickly.

First off, I still can't believe there are people still defending Jay Fiedler beyond him being scrappy.
The guy had a ton of weaknesses and he was no scapegoat.
He was a dud. A dud with heart as many like to point out but a dud nonetheless.

The QB position was ignored just as badly as the OL position under Wanny and when Saban took over was just as big a problem.

There were a TON of holes on this roster that Saban inherited. A TON.

No QB
No RB
NO OL
NO LB
NO Secondary
Aging DL
and
1 LB that was worth a crap.

Just exactly how many positions do you think someone can turn over in 2 drafts/FA periods with limited draft picks and a salary cap to manage?

OL was addressed somewhat this year and I would imagine that going into this offseason it will be priority number 1 to upgrade a couple more spots. LT and C IMO.

You've got to get off Saban's arse already though.
It's been 2 friggin years after he takes over a very depleted roster.
 
Trekbiz said:
Your first line is fine.

Then you go right downhill quickly.

First off, I still can't believe there are people still defending Jay Fiedler beyond him being scrappy.
The guy had a ton of weaknesses and he was no scapegoat.
He was a dud. A dud with heart as many like to point out but a dud nonetheless.

The QB position was ignored just as badly as the OL position under Wanny and when Saban took over was just as big a problem.

There were a TON of holes on this roster that Saban inherited. A TON.

No QB
No RB
NO OL
NO LB
NO Secondary
Aging DL
and
1 LB that was worth a crap.

Just exactly how many positions do you think someone can turn over in 2 drafts/FA periods with limited draft picks and a salary cap to manage?

OL was addressed somewhat this year and I would imagine that going into this offseason it will be priority number 1 to upgrade a couple more spots. LT and C IMO.

You've got to get off Saban's arse already though.
It's been 2 friggin years after he takes over a very depleted roster.
Thank You for pointing that out. I wrote a post about how Saban couldn't fix a team coming off a 4-12 season in just a couple years myself earlier this week. Its nice for someone to agree.
 
Trekbiz said:
Your first line is fine.

Then you go right downhill quickly.

First off, I still can't believe there are people still defending Jay Fiedler beyond him being scrappy.
The guy had a ton of weaknesses and he was no scapegoat.
He was a dud. A dud with heart as many like to point out but a dud nonetheless.

The QB position was ignored just as badly as the OL position under Wanny and when Saban took over was just as big a problem.

There were a TON of holes on this roster that Saban inherited. A TON.

No QB
No RB
NO OL
NO LB
NO Secondary
Aging DL
and
1 LB that was worth a crap.

Just exactly how many positions do you think someone can turn over in 2 drafts/FA periods with limited draft picks and a salary cap to manage?

OL was addressed somewhat this year and I would imagine that going into this offseason it will be priority number 1 to upgrade a couple more spots. LT and C IMO.

You've got to get off Saban's arse already though.
It's been 2 friggin years after he takes over a very depleted roster.


I still believe using the 2nd pick for Ronnie was a mistake....especially when you see what a player like Gore has done....and we could have had him alot cheaper and used the top pick for another player.
 
fishypete said:
I still believe using the 2nd pick for Ronnie was a mistake....especially when you see what a player like Gore has done....and we could have had him alot cheaper and used the top pick for another player.


You can certainly use that argument but the question was and remains, who?

It was talked about as being a weak draft as far as the level of talent at the top of the boards. No one else has stepped up and shown they are a better player so how can you say the pick was a mistake? There were rumblings that we indeed did try and trade down but since it was a weak draft we could'nt. What do you do then?
You have to take BPA.
 
You started this thread off well, and were on track with the need for building the OL, then your hatred for Nick Saban took over and turned this into a bad thread. One star.
 
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