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do we have 1 player that is top 5 in the league at their position?
where's the talent?
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I'm pretty sure that Justin Tuck is a top five player at his position. Plaxico was definitely elite. The Bucs also had Brooks who was still awesome them and I believe they had one of the best safeties in the league as well.
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the nfl is about matchups and if you dont understand that or how the lack of any top tier talent puts us on the wrong end of too many mismatches i dont know what to tell you.
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Grove looked top 5 that last game. Ronnie/Ricky in a wildcat definitely are a top 5 running threat. Thomas could easily develop into a top 5. So can Ginn if he wants it bad enough and gets a qb with an arm. Merling/Langford/Smith/Davis might someday make it too. Pat White can hand-off out of the shotgun as well as anyone i've seen.
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You mean Tuck, the guy who wasn;'t even a starter? At the time he was not a top five player. Maybe now he is.
Strahan was probably the best guy on their team and he proabably was a top 5 DE that year, but other than that, they just had a very solid team. A team that was built to win games a certain way.
They are a much better team now than they were when they won the Super Bowl. Their OL as a unit is probably topps in the league. Chris Snee is probbaly top 3 in the league as a Guard.
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Where is the TALENT you ask????????????
Why don't you effing get this group together at a Holiday Inn conference room for a one week discussion and analysis:
Wannstedt
Speilman
Cameron
Mueller
Saban
These were the guys in charge of personnel decisions from 2000-2007. Get all of them in the room, then have them bring their draft and free agent boards from each year, and spend a week analyzing and compiling the data -- the missed picks, the squandered and traded picks, the bad free agent signings and the basic core idiocy that went on. Don't forget plenty of cold cut make your own sandwiches from croissants plus some morning and afternoon snacks - perhaps some Little Debbie snack cakes for the shortest man on the above list. Be warned - he likes them a certain way so don't eff that up or he will scowl and belittle the hell out of you.
This is the challenge facing Ireland and Parcells. It isn't fixed in one or two offseasons. They inherited a complete crap team with no front line talent and zero depth across the board.
Let's hope we don't get Ireland in the same conference room in a few years.
Why don't you effing get this group together at a Holiday Inn conference room for a one week discussion and analysis:
Wannstedt
Speilman
Cameron
Mueller
Saban
These were the guys in charge of personnel decisions from 2000-2007. Get all of them in the room, then have them bring their draft and free agent boards from each year, and spend a week analyzing and compiling the data -- the missed picks, the squandered and traded picks, the bad free agent signings and the basic core idiocy that went on. Don't forget plenty of cold cut make your own sandwiches from croissants plus some morning and afternoon snacks - perhaps some Little Debbie snack cakes for the shortest man on the above list. Be warned - he likes them a certain way so don't eff that up or he will scowl and belittle the hell out of you.
This is the challenge facing Ireland and Parcells. It isn't fixed in one or two offseasons. They inherited a complete crap team with no front line talent and zero depth across the board.
Let's hope we don't get Ireland in the same conference room in a few years.
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Yeah look at who these guys signed:
-Eric Green
-Ernest Wilford
-Reggie Torbor
-Gibril Wilson
Hmm wait...
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The talent is on other teams. The only guys with true visible top level talent on the entire squad are Jake Long, Ronnie Brown, Sean Smith. Top 5, no. Everyone else is average. We have a football team full of average and below average football players.
Notice how I left off Porter? He's 1 dimensional. I like linebackers that can do it all. All he does is pass rush, and the times when he's held in check he offers little else.
Notice how I left off Porter? He's 1 dimensional. I like linebackers that can do it all. All he does is pass rush, and the times when he's held in check he offers little else.
Which is why Pittsburgh let him go, they don't usually end up paying the fat cow end of career contracts like most teams do for guys on the wrong side of age 30, and instead continually replace them with young talent. Like Lamar Woodley, Lawrence Timmons and so forth. Same with Willie Parker this year, last year of his contract and they will release him.
Look at their franchise and their formula: Things they do.
1) Get the right head coach and stay out of his way--comes from good ownership (Rooneys are the best in the business)
2) Get guys in charge of personnel be football guys, not businessmen or old farts who dont understand the game
3) Develop a system with good coaches (Dick Lebeau anyone?), draft the guys for that system (Timmons/Woodley/Ziggy Hood etc), teach them and put them in when they are ready in a year or two--constantly replacing the old guys who are not in their prime any longer.
4) Win---year in and year out.
If you look at the change with Parcells coming in, it is starting to look exactly like the above formula compared to previous coaches and regimes. If he sticks around and you give it time, Miami will compete. Anyone who thinks you magically go from 1-15 to a playoff team overnight is a moron. It only happened last year because Miami piled up wins (seven I think?) against the two biggest garbage divisions in the NFL -- the AFC West (whose best team was 8-8) and the NFC West who was hardly any better (Seahawks/rams/49ers etc). People who thought this team was headed back to the playoffs with this schedule this year need to take off the rose colored glasses. Good teams are already exposing the fins (middle of the defense with tight ends, no offensive threats etc). If the guys in charge stick around, it will happen--but they are tearing down a culture of losing and slowly replacing a decade worth of horrible management/personnel decisions.
Look at their franchise and their formula: Things they do.
1) Get the right head coach and stay out of his way--comes from good ownership (Rooneys are the best in the business)
2) Get guys in charge of personnel be football guys, not businessmen or old farts who dont understand the game
3) Develop a system with good coaches (Dick Lebeau anyone?), draft the guys for that system (Timmons/Woodley/Ziggy Hood etc), teach them and put them in when they are ready in a year or two--constantly replacing the old guys who are not in their prime any longer.
4) Win---year in and year out.
If you look at the change with Parcells coming in, it is starting to look exactly like the above formula compared to previous coaches and regimes. If he sticks around and you give it time, Miami will compete. Anyone who thinks you magically go from 1-15 to a playoff team overnight is a moron. It only happened last year because Miami piled up wins (seven I think?) against the two biggest garbage divisions in the NFL -- the AFC West (whose best team was 8-8) and the NFC West who was hardly any better (Seahawks/rams/49ers etc). People who thought this team was headed back to the playoffs with this schedule this year need to take off the rose colored glasses. Good teams are already exposing the fins (middle of the defense with tight ends, no offensive threats etc). If the guys in charge stick around, it will happen--but they are tearing down a culture of losing and slowly replacing a decade worth of horrible management/personnel decisions.
hooshoops said:maybe he should get more sleep
Ask Chad Ocho Cinco and Carson Palmer how their Superbowl run is going.
Ask Nammdi Asomougha how his Superbowl run is going.
Ask Adrian Peterson about last year's Superbowl.
Ask Andre Johnson how he liked watching the Superbowl from his couch...
Winning games has to do with a lot more than who plays for you. It has more to do with your coaches, coordinators and strategy. You can win Superbowls with some "good" guys who are great role-players. If you don't understand that then you haven't been playing attention to any professional sports in the past century.