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Whitlock- Dolphins prison yard mentality

DolphinDevil28 said:
Comparing the Dolphins locker room to a state pen because Richie Incognito drunkenly messed (verbally, at that) with a mentally soft person IS NOT A REAL ISSUE.
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This stuff is all timely, it is evolving w/ new info all the time. The issue isn't just that he messed w/ martin.
 
Scrap said:
Actually, I do. I understand how people "use"the term, but I'm smart enough to know it is not a respectful term to use in any context. I believe it is you that has difficulty understanding the obvious.
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Well today's NFL player grew up listening to N.W.A and Tupac. All glorified the use to the term. So much so, that Tupac said he took it as a term of endearment.

Today's society and culture are reaping what they sow. Progressive/liberal black intellects praise Tupac and his empowerment of black thought. N.W.A to this day is still available for the youth. With Dr. Dre selling ear phones and LeBron in commercials. Ice Cube and his movie career, family movies included. Still reap the benefits of being apart of that age and era. And they helped foster the use of the word/term.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Well today's NFL player grew up listening to N.W.A and Tupac. All glorified the use to the term. So much so, that Tupac said he took it as a term of endearment.

Today's society and culture are reaping what they sow. Progressive/liberal black intellects praise Tupac and his empowerment of black thought. N.W.A to this day is still available for the youth. With Dr. Dre selling ear phones and LeBron in commercials. Ice Cube and his movie career, family movies included. Still reap the benefits of being apart of that age and era. And they helped foster the use of the word/term.
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I grew up listening to NWA and have never used the word.
 
nyjunc said:
I grew up listening to NWA and have never used the word.
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Are you a NFL football player who grew up around Urban youth? If not, it doesn't matter if you have.
 
Ireland and Philbin the prison warden and put a thug to run locker, excellent read

Ireland doesn't have a clue of what he is supposed to do as a GM. If he created a thug mentality in the locker room and told Martin to punch Incognito in the face; then why did he drafted this fine young kid instead of grabbing a thug like the Honey Badger? Let a team like the Colts grab this "weirdo" smart kid. Philbin and Ireland need to be fired ASAP, if the dolphins want to hold on to any dignity left after this debacle. This is the best article that shed some light into the dynamic of this situation.



Martin walked into twisted world

He confronted an unrelenting, prison yard mentality in the Miami locker room


Updated: November 8, 2013, 9:00 AM ET
By Jason Whitlock | ESPN.com


Mass incarceration has turned segments of Black America so upside down that a tatted-up, N-word-tossing white goon is more respected and accepted than a soft-spoken, highly intelligent black Stanford graduate.

According to a story in the Miami Herald, black Dolphins players granted Richie Incognito "honorary" status as a black man while feeling little connection to Jonathan Martin.
Welcome to Incarceration Nation, where the mindset of the Miami Dolphins' locker room mirrors the mentality of a maximum-security prison yard and where a wide swath of America believes the nonviolent intellectual needs to adopt the tactics of the barbarian.

I don't blame Jonathan Martin for walking away from the Dolphins and checking himself into a hospital seeking treatment for emotional distress. The cesspool of insanity that apparently is the Miami locker room would test the mental stability of any sane man. Martin, the offspring of Harvard grads, a 24-year-old trained at some of America's finest academic institutions, is a first-time offender callously thrown into an Attica prison cell with Incognito and Aaron Hernandez's BFF Mike Pouncey. Dolphins warden Jeff Ireland and deputy warden Joe Philbin put zero sophisticated thought into what they were doing when they drafted Martin in the second round in 2012.

You don't put Jonathan Martin in a cell with Incognito and Pouncey. You draft someone else, and let another team take Martin. The Dolphins don't have the kind of environment to support someone with Martin's background. It takes intelligence and common sense to connect with and manage Martin. Those attributes appear to be in short supply in Miami.

"Richie is honorary," a black former Dolphins player told Miami Herald reporter Armando Salguero. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."

I'm black. And I totally understand the genesis of this particular brand of stupidity and self-hatred. Mass Incarceration, its bastard child, Hurricane Illegitimacy, and their marketing firm, commercial hip-hop music, have created a culture that perpetrates the idea that authentic blackness is criminal, savage, uneducated and irresponsible. The tenets of white supremacy and bigotry have been injected into popular youth culture. The blackest things a black man can do are loudly spew the N-word publicly and react violently to the slightest sign of disrespect or disagreement.

Yeah, Richie Incognito is an honorary black. And Jonathan Martin is a sellout.

"I don't have a problem with Richie," Dolphins receiver Mike Wallace was quoted in Salguero's story. "I love Richie."

Yeah, the Dolphins are circling the wagons around Incognito. I get Ryan Tannehill's defense of his Pro Bowl left guard. He needs him. He doesn't believe the Dolphins can protect him or win games without Incognito. There's a popular belief you can't consistently win football games without a few "thugs" like Incognito in your locker room. Makes you wonder how Stanford competes with USC, Oregon, UCLA, etc., every year. You wonder how Nebraska and Oregon survived after booting Incognito. You wonder why three NFL teams let him go. Maybe he's not as essential as the myth-makers would have you believe.

But what makes me want to check into a mental hospital is Miami's black players' unconditional love of Incognito and indifference to Martin.

It points to our fundamental lack of knowledge of our own history in this country. We think the fake tough guy, the ex-con turned rhetoric spewer was more courageous than the educated pacifist who won our liberation standing in the streets, absorbing repeated ass-whippings, jail and a white assassin's bullet. We fell for the okeydoke.

We think Malcolm X was blacker than Martin Luther King Jr.

I'm as guilty as anybody. I've read X's autobiography a half-dozen times. I own Spike Lee's movie about X and watch it a couple of times a year. I love Malcolm X. But I'm not an idiot. MLK liberated me. MLK blazed the proper path to respect, progress and achievement. Barack Obama stands on MLK's shoulders. And so does Jonathan Martin.

Richie Incognito is an "honorary" bigot, standing on the shoulders of Gov. George Wallace. The fact that a group of young black men in the Dolphins' locker room can't see that speaks to the level of ignorance unleashed by Mass Incarceration, Hurricane Illegitimacy and commercial hip-hop.

Too many young people have grown up. There's a difference between growing up and being raised. When you grow up, you're left to figure things out on your own. That's why we have a generation of young people who can't recognize the self-hatred and damage of describing yourself as the N-word. They don't know what they haven't been taught. Video games, iPads and headphones can't raise a child. But those technological advances can entertain and empower popular culture to corrupt.

I don't know Jonathan Martin. He's biracial. He was apparently smart enough to qualify for entry into Harvard. He's huge and athletic. He strikes me as someone ripe to struggle with his identity.

The Dolphins tagged him the "Big Weirdo." The Dolphins held up Richie Incognito as the ultimate role model for offensive linemen. Incognito was a Pro Bowler. He was a member of the six-man leadership council. It makes perfect sense for a kid like Martin to befriend Incognito and try to fit in. I'm sure they were best friends, for a time. I'm sure Incognito offered Martin physical protection on the football field. It's standard operating procedure for a prison-yard bully to cultivate a relationship that is equal parts fear, love and disrespect. It's how you turn a guy out and make him grab your belt loop.

Martin was confused. He probably thought the bullying and hazing would pass after his rookie season. He wanted to fit in and make it in the NFL. The paycheck is incredible. He tried to laugh off the abuse and disrespect. He participated in it. He coughed up $15,000 for a trip to Las Vegas he didn't want to take.

Finally he snapped. He wasn't raised to be a full-blown idiot. He was raised to think and solve problems with his mind. He was savvy enough to figure out a physical confrontation with Incognito was a no-win situation. It wouldn't curb Incognito's behavior or change the culture inside the Miami locker room. It would confirm it. In order to win the fight, Martin would have to physically harm Incognito. It would not be a one-punch or two-punch fight.

Martin walked. If the entry fee to being an NFL offensive lineman is adopting the mindset of Incognito and Pouncey, Martin wisely chose not to pay it. He has a developed brain and a supportive family unit. He's not desperate. He has options. People with limited options and no family support may not understand or respect his decision. That's on them and illustrates the vast impact of Mass Incarceration and Hurricane Illegitimacy.

It's now time for Roger Goodell to render a verdict on wardens Ireland and Philbin and Cell Block D leader Incognito. The world is so upside down that I half expect Goodell to suspend Martin for conduct detrimental to American idiocy.
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Hey Jet boy...you have already posted this crap....STOP STIRRING THE S*** POT
 
Namor said:
Hey Jet boy...you have already posted this crap....STOP STIRRING THE S*** POT
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Not nice, I'm a fan of the sport like you. Oh wait not like me, when I see something wrong, I will say it an stand by it regardless if it is my team. What I seen from you guys want to makes me vomit. Blaming the victim.
 
jetsattack said:
al sharpton is a no-show so far. but it wouldn't surprise me if he made an appearance.

obama says if he had a son with oprah winfrey he would look just like martin
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You guys are so ignorant. Al Sharpton will not put his nose in this because it go against his preaching. Why do you guys never see him talking about Black on Black crimes? It also go against his rhetoric.

Jonathan Martin is the kind of ideas that Al Sharpton has been fighting the whole life. Here you have a well educated conservative values that do not need the help of the "system" to make it in life.
 
Jets4eva said:
Not nice, I'm a fan of the sport like you. Oh wait not like me, when I see something wrong, I will say it an stand by it regardless if it is my team. What I seen from you guys want to makes me vomit. Blaming the victim.
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This article is terrible. The fact you keep posting this article as if it's gospel is very telling.

The article is riddled with racist undertones and the guy has the audacity to compare Martin and Obama to MLK. The condescending nature of the entire artilce makes it tough to finish. In fact I stopped reading the first time until I saw you posted again.
 
Jets4eva said:
Not nice, I'm a fan of the sport like you. Oh wait not like me, when I see something wrong, I will say it an stand by it regardless if it is my team. What I seen from you guys want to makes me vomit. Blaming the victim.
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Did you just join this forum to call them out? Go easy on them, I have gotten on them over the past couple of days, some were ok with it, most were not, and I have been here for awhile. So I chilled out on the main forum, we are more welcome in the East section.
 
Jets4eva said:
Not nice, I'm a fan of the sport like you. Oh wait not like me, when I see something wrong, I will say it an stand by it regardless if it is my team. What I seen from you guys want to makes me vomit. Blaming the victim.
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Sir, you have to understand that there are many people in our society that will defend disgusting, deplorable deviant behavior to their dying day. Maybe that's the kind of people they are so they will never know decency if it bit them in the you know what.
 
As an idiot here is my take on the article and a few questions.

The authors premise is that because a huge segment of Black America has been overly incarcerated that this experience has shifted the values of a culture or a demographic portion of a culture. Is he wrong?

Richie’s honorary black status coupled with the alleged ostracizing of Martin is used to back this premise up, based on the fact that it was known and thought of as a joke and understood that Richie used racial epitaphs while speaking to Martin. He was given a pass. It was considered ok. The author may be wrong but it’s a solid premise worth debating.

The next bit really is a shot at the Dolphin Organization and I can’t see how he could possibly back any of that up. The situation in Miami however maybe endemic to the NFL, I do not know.

If a black man wants to criticize a segment of black culture, how is that race baiting? Someone who disagrees should tackle his ideas not him.

The concept that Martin and President Obama stand on MLK’s shoulders is not putting them above or comparing what MLK accomplished its simply acknowledging that they would not be where they are without him. Add Jackie Robinson, Curt Flood, Thurgood Marshall, Shirley Chisholm, Medgar Evers to the shoulders being stood on.

The fact that Richie was on the Leadership council is troubling.

Dismissing what the writer says whole cloth without reading it I find strange. Is anyone troubled that the sport and the team we all enjoy and for a lot of us spent a lifetime following seems to condone Richie’s behavior?

Edited to add: I am an honorary idiot
 
Not surprising that there is a story involving a black man and a white man and this clown felt the need to chime in on it. He's a running punchline in his home town here in Kansas City for this very reason. If it's not about race, he rarely has an opinion about it.

As for it being a well written article... So friggin what. Orson Scott Card can spin a well written sci-fi yarn but that doesn't make him any less of a bigot.
 
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