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Football is a tough game. A player with a "fighter's" mentality is going to have an advantage over a guy without one.

Who are the players with a fighter's mentality on our offense? Maybe Rex Hadnot and that's it? Wes Welker? Frerotte? McMichael? I don't think we have enough of those kinds of guys. Ricky and Ronnie are no Jerome Bettis. Chambers is no TO. And the offensive line has Hadnot and that's about it.

So maybe this is why our offense doesn't punch people in the mouth and steamroll teams down the field. We have athletic players who are good at the game, but we have very few FIGHTERS.
 
That is true because the only Jerome Bettis is Jerome Bettis.

With Ricky it depends on his mentality. When he is in the game not many people worked harder than he did. When he isn't in the game, there are many people that worked harder than he did.
 
Dol-Fan Dupree said:
That is true because the only Jerome Bettis is Jerome Bettis.

With Ricky it depends on his mentality. When he is in the game not many people worked harder than he did. When he isn't in the game, there are many people that worked harder than he did.
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Yeah but Ricky doesn't INSPIRE a fighting attitude in other guys like Bettis does. He's way too detached interpersonally for that.

And there are other guys like Bettis. Stephen Davis, Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon. And I'm afraid Cadillac Williams is one too, which may be the key thing that ends up distinguishing him from Ronnie Brown. Ronnie seems like more of a softy to me.
 
More like when Ricky is committed there just aren't many people that work harder than him. Nobody can get down on him for his preparation, film study, weight room, or diet ethics when he's committed to football.

But he's not always committed to football. He is right now, but that could change at any moment.

Wes Welker, Randy McMichael, Ronnie Brown (yes), Rex Hadnot, Jeno James, and Stockar McDougle are true fighters...and I've yet to see Marty Booker lack intensity or effort on a play so he doesn't deserve to be criticized. Also, Gus Frerotte has definitely looked kind of scrappy the way he's played.

Chambers, Boston, Carey, McIntosh, and McKinney are the guys that are a little more lacsidaisical than they need to be.
 
I thought Boston would be like that, but after not fighting for that pass on Sunday I reconsidered.

I think McMichael is that kind of player.
 
shouright said:
Football is a tough game. A player with a "fighter's" mentality is going to have an advantage over a guy without one.

Who are the players with a fighter's mentality on our offense? Maybe Rex Hadnot and that's it? Wes Welker? Frerotte? McMichael? I don't think we have enough of those kinds of guys. Ricky and Ronnie are no Jerome Bettis. Chambers is no TO. And the offensive line has Hadnot and that's about it.

So maybe this is why our offense doesn't punch people in the mouth and steamroll teams down the field. We have athletic players who are good at the game, but we have very few FIGHTERS.
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McMike for sure, last year he seemed like the only offensive player that still cared.
 
Wes Welker and Randy McMichael look genuinely fired up when they're on the field. Other than them and Hadenot it's pretty much a fall off. The other guys aren't a drain on the team but they just don't seem to bring any spark to the field.
 
shouright said:
Yeah but Ricky doesn't INSPIRE a fighting attitude in other guys like Bettis does. He's way too detached interpersonally for that.

And there are other guys like Bettis. Stephen Davis, Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon. And I'm afraid Cadillac Williams is one too, which may be the key thing that ends up distinguishing him from Ronnie Brown. Ronnie seems like more of a softy to me.
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I think you're confusing talent for "fighter" mentality. Fred Taylor's no scrapper. Corey Dillon has always just been very talented. And Bettis has as much to do with the fighter mentality of the Steelers offense as a fish sandwich does with the smell of a tuna factory. Randle-El and Hines Ward are the true fighters there along with the entire offensive line and it's all directed that way from the top by Bill Cowher. Bettis isn't even on the dang field, how the heck can he inspire anyone?

And you don't give Ronnie the credit he deserves for laying a lick on a defender every chance he gets and fighting for yards after contact the way he does. I don't ever want to see the man that took Champ Bailey out of the game just because Champ dared to try and tackle him single-handedly on the outside called a "softy" on the football field.
 
ckparrothead said:
I think you're confusing talent for "fighter" mentality. Fred Taylor's no scrapper. Corey Dillon has always just been very talented. And Bettis has as much to do with the fighter mentality of the Steelers offense as a fish sandwich does with the smell of a tuna factory. Randle-El and Hines Ward are the true fighters there along with the entire offensive line and it's all directed that way from the top by Bill Cowher. Bettis isn't even on the dang field, how the heck can he inspire anyone?

And you don't give Ronnie the credit he deserves for laying a lick on a defender every chance he gets and fighting for yards after contact the way he does. I don't ever want to see the man that took Champ Bailey out of the game just because Champ dared to try and tackle him single-handedly on the outside called a "softy" on the football field.
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I saw Mike Doss hit Fred Taylor pretty hard once, and on the next play Taylor LEVELED Doss and then turned and barked at him as he went into the end zone. THAT's a fighter's mentality.

The thing with Bettis is that he runs like he's in a fight. He delivers punishment when he runs. Dillon is similar. I think it's more of a personality thing than a talent thing.

And yeah, the jury's still out on Ronnie. He may show me he's tougher over time.
 
Talos said:
Wes Welker and Randy McMichael look genuinely fired up when they're on the field. Other than them and Hadenot it's pretty much a fall off. The other guys aren't a drain on the team but they just don't seem to bring any spark to the field.
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I'm talking about guys who, when the team is losing, feel like going out there and KILLING someone. McMike looks that way. How many other guys on offense do?
 
shouright said:
I saw Mike Doss hit Fred Taylor pretty hard once, and on the next play Taylor LEVELED Doss and then turned and barked at him as he went into the end zone. THAT's a fighter's mentality.

The thing with Bettis is that he runs like he's in a fight. He delivers punishment when he runs. Dillon is similar. I think it's more of a personality thing than a talent thing.

And yeah, the jury's still out on Ronnie. He may show me he's tougher over time.
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What has Ronnie showed you to show you that he is weak?
 
ckparrothead said:
I think you're confusing talent for "fighter" mentality. Fred Taylor's no scrapper. Corey Dillon has always just been very talented. And Bettis has as much to do with the fighter mentality of the Steelers offense as a fish sandwich does with the smell of a tuna factory. Randle-El and Hines Ward are the true fighters there along with the entire offensive line and it's all directed that way from the top by Bill Cowher. Bettis isn't even on the dang field, how the heck can he inspire anyone?

And you don't give Ronnie the credit he deserves for laying a lick on a defender every chance he gets and fighting for yards after contact the way he does. I don't ever want to see the man that took Champ Bailey out of the game just because Champ dared to try and tackle him single-handedly on the outside called a "softy" on the football field.
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:yeahthat:
 
shouright said:
I saw Mike Doss hit Fred Taylor pretty hard once, and on the next play Taylor LEVELED Doss and then turned and barked at him as he went into the end zone. THAT's a fighter's mentality.

The thing with Bettis is that he runs like he's in a fight. He delivers punishment when he runs. Dillon is similar. I think it's more of a personality thing than a talent thing.

And yeah, the jury's still out on Ronnie. He may show me he's tougher over time.
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Bettis and Ronnie are two totally different runningbacks. Bettis is slow but very powerful. That's why he's called "The Bus" Ronnie Brown is much faster and is a more versatile player. He's going to be a good, if not great runningback. I wish people would stop making assumptions on a guy who's actually been under contract for what, a month and a half now. Right now, you're seeing Ronnie's raw talent. When he figures out what he's actually supposed to do, you'll see a much improved runningback. BTW, the last game I did see Ronnie barking at a Jet after one of his runs.
 
KyPhinfan13 said:
Bettis and Ronnie are two totally different runningbacks. Bettis is slow but very powerful. That's why he's called "The Bus" Ronnie Brown is much faster and is a more versatile player. He's going to be a good, if not great runningback. I wish people would stop making assumptions on a guy who's actually been under contract for what, a month and a half now. Right now, you're seeing Ronnie's raw talent. When he figures out what he's actually supposed to do, you'll see a much improved runningback. BTW, the last game I did see Ronnie barking at a Jet after one of his runs.
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I would never call Bettis slow.
 
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