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Who Had Better Draft Classes from 2008-2011 Mia, GB, or Pit???

So GB drafted a top 10 OLB(Matthews), a top 10 TE(Finley), a top 10 DT (Raji), and a top 20 WR (Nelson). You really tried to imply we've drafted better then them? Anyone can draft "starters" and make safe picks, its the fact Ireland ignores posistions of need EVERY YEAR regardless of its in free agency or the draft. He also never finds those gems you look for in the later rounds. We desperately need a pass catching TE and have failed to draft one even though there have been plenty of opportunities for us too, hell the only TE we have even drafted in those 4 years was Nalbone. We have failed horribly at building a solid O-line, aside from Jake Long, and now Pouncey, we have yet to find any quality players to fill the G, and T spots. John Jerry, Gardner, Murphy, and Donald Thomas all have been worthless for the most part.


Point being, we are drafting well under Ireland, if we continue to draft this well we will be back to respectability sooner than later. But we must quit with the regime flipping, and big splash pleading or this organization is forever doomed.
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Yeah you're right, if we draft like this for another 10-15 years and none of our players age or leave through FA we'll be right back in the super bowl mix! Sadly thats not how it works though. This thread was a failed attempt at making Ireland look like a good decision maker when all you really did was remind everyone how mediocre our drafts have been.
 
madridfinfan said:
Good post. But stats are skewed. Gb and Pitt were highly competitive and had overall better depth and better players, hence less holes to fill, hence less starters. The interesting thing would be to look at starters drafted from 3rd round on. Nice post though!
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Agreed, they had better teams and less holes to fill.
 
All starters aren't created equally. If you think that Pouncey holds the same value as Matthews, Nelson or Finley than you are mistaken
 
I get sick of stupid threads like these.

ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. Total SPIN job.

Your argument is completely FLAWED.

First youre basing the draft success on these teams on what you deem to be "starters". Well I have news for you pal. Its much more difficult for a player to "start" on a successful team, especially a rookie where there are established quality vets, than it is on a team like the phins who were 1-15 and gutted their roster. That in itself makes your post completely POINTLESS.

Secondly, a player being a "starter" dosent make him a superior player to another. For instance, Anthony Fasano is a starter. Technically, Aaron Hernandez is not. Who would you prefer on the roster? Exactly. The fact that some player starts for the phins dosent mean he was a superior draft selection to another player who barely made the roster for a team that just went to a Super Bowl. GET REAL.

It seems you also fail to consider the fact that a GM may have to start more draft picks because of lack of success in identifying quality players in FA. This is part of the job of a GM as well. If a GM fails miserably in this area, he is forced to start more draft picks.

Finally, some guys who are drafted and start BLOW. Chad Henne for instance couldve been classified as a starter in your little spin job. If so, youre statistic is skewed by adding terrible players who clearly shouldnt have started in the first place to the sample.

Basically, your entire post is complete horse****. Jeff Ireland blows and so have his drafts. The man drafted a LT when Matt Ryan was right there for the taking. Jake Long counts as a starter in your little post and he is a good one. But, the reality is selecting him was an epic blunder.

If you really want to know who has done a better job drafting of these 3 teams, simply look at the list of the players. Both Green Bay and Pittsburgh have selected more quality players than Miami over the last 4 years. Thats the reality. Also, consider the fact we have been selecting near the top of the rounds every year, while those teams are picking towards the end of each round. And yet they still manage to outdraft us.


GET REAL.
 
Simple: Would you trade our picks that turned into starters for either or both of GB and Pitt picks that turned into starters? My answer-yes everyday and twice on Sunday!
 
What a terrible analogy in that timeframe the Packers and Steelers won Superbowls! It is a lot harder to crack the roster of a CHAMP then a rebuilding team. Out of all our picks only Long see's the field on those teams, V. Davis maybe as a third cb. The Packers have a probowl center and Mike Pouncey ain't playing over his twin.
 
Listen, I'm not trying to be an apologist, all I'm trying to point to is a successful draft does not mean every player picked becomes a starter or star.

Many of you pointed to some huge differences, namely the QB and the fact Pitt and GB were SB teams and had less holes.

The reason for this is because they kept building through the draft with the same FO. Pitt and GB also do not get into free agency and they seem to do fine w/ out it. This is my point.
 
2 things (to get me off 666 posts)

Ireland has generally done a decent job drafting. Sure, no sexy picks. The problem is he is an ass. Everyone knows it. But go back and look at our drafts for the 10 years prior to Ireland. THEY SUCKED. Ireland went for the safe picks in the first round of the last few drafts and it has worked out.

Now, second point, the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST FAILING of Ireland and company has been the failure to get a great quarterback. That is what sets Pittsburgh and Green Bay apart from us. They invested heavily in the QB position while we just dinked around and hoped Henne would be good. Other than their fantastic QBs, Green Bay and Pittsburgh's rosters are basically just as good as ours.

Also (ok 3 points), we wasted time and picks on Brandon Marshall. We made a big splash in free agency there, but on the wrong position. We should have picked a QB in year 1 and year 2. Its a passing league and we messed that up.

I think Ireland and Co. have figured out now that you better get a QB or else. Parcells is gone, so he won't get in the way of that decision anymore. If its not Tannehill in the draft its Weeden. So, at least we have something to look forward to.
 
Phinsome said:
2 things (to get me off 666 posts)

Ireland has generally done a decent job drafting. Sure, no sexy picks. The problem is he is an ass. Everyone knows it. But go back and look at our drafts for the 10 years prior to Ireland. THEY SUCKED. Ireland went for the safe picks in the first round of the last few drafts and it has worked out.

Now, second point, the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST FAILING of Ireland and company has been the failure to get a great quarterback. That is what sets Pittsburgh and Green Bay apart from us. They invested heavily in the QB position while we just dinked around and hoped Henne would be good. Other than their fantastic QBs, Green Bay and Pittsburgh's rosters are basically just as good as ours.

Also (ok 3 points), we wasted time and picks on Brandon Marshall. We made a big splash in free agency there, but on the wrong position. We should have picked a QB in year 1 and year 2. Its a passing league and we messed that up.

I think Ireland and Co. have figured out now that you better get a QB or else. Parcells is gone, so he won't get in the way of that decision anymore. If its not Tannehill in the draft its Weeden. So, at least we have something to look forward to.
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I agree with your post 100%
 
Let smake this a simple case closed argument when it comes to the draft. I dont care who outdrafted who. Look at their QBs and look at our QBs. Theres was drafted in the first round and have Super Bowl rings.

Ours are castoffs from losing teams: same as fiedler, feely etc. etc.
 
Those other teams were drafting their DEPTH. They got good #2 players.

We are trying to draft STARTERS and are winding up with players who might BE #2 players for LEGITIMATE franchises. And that, my friends, is the problem.
 
The team is talent starved because it hadn't had good drafts in the past. You have to continuiously put in good drafts. Period.
 
WesternNYDolfan said:
The team is talent starved because it hadn't had good drafts in the past. You have to continuiously put in good drafts. Period.
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He's had 4 drafts, roughly 28 players (more than half a roster). How long does it take? Do we have one playmaker from any of his draft classes?
 
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