Who Had Better Draft Classes from 2008-2011 Mia, GB, or Pit???

[WesternNYDolfan]

just a thought, but isnt it hard to replace good established players? Greenbay has been drafting well for a long time, LONGER than 4 years. so naturally its going to be harder for their recent draft picks to overcome older established players...

on the other side of the coin, Miami has been drafting like S#!T for 10+ years. That and the fact that new regimes want to implement their own players and picks and it is much easier to become a starter through the draft.

Yea but that's my point, these past 4 drafts have been our best in years. If we continue to draft like this we'll be good soon

 

[WVDolphan]

If you really want to sum up our drafts since Ireland has been here its simple......

We have drafted exactly ONE player who would be considered to be top tier at his position. That player is Jake Long.

When you consider the two FACTS that not only was he selected first overall(its real difficult to not get a great player with pick #1, although there are occasional busts), but that selecting Long in that spot as opposed to Matt Ryan was the greatest mistake of the many this regime made(the one that doomed them from the start), its easy to see that their drafting along with their overall performance as a FO has been an epic failure.

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

If you really want to sum up our drafts since Ireland has been here its simple......

We have drafted exactly ONE player who would be considered to be top tier at his position. That player is Jake Long.

When you consider the two FACTS that not only was he selected first overall(its real difficult to not get a great player with pick #1, although there are occasional busts), but that selecting Long in that spot as opposed to Matt Ryan was the greatest mistake of the many this regime made(the one that doomed them from the start), its easy to see that their drafting along with their overall performance as a FO has been an epic failure.

Pouncy and Vontae aren't top tier?

Also get over that Matt Ryan bull****, the guy has never won a playoff game, and has regressed even with Julio Jones. He is an average QB, and definitely not the 1st pick money we would've been paying him. We may have reached the playoffs, but we still would've been mediocre just like the Falcons are

 

[WVDolphan]

Pouncy and Vontae aren't top tier?

I wouldnt say so. Hard to place Pouncey yet and Id say Vontae is close.

Also get over that Matt Ryan bull****, the guy has never won a playoff game

Fair point. However I may ask exactly how many has Jake Long won?

and has regressed even with Julio Jones.

Thats highly debateable.

He is an average QB,

Also highly debateable. One fact that isnt debateable is that Ryan is far superior to any QB we have had in 13 years.

and definitely not the 1st pick money we would've been paying him.

Again highly debateable. I would also pose this question to you...... Would you rather be spending top dollar on a QB or spending a bunch of your cap space on a LT? You see the QB position on most good teams is where the biggest slice of you cap space is used. On our team, we use way too much on the LT position IMO. This is one of the key factors in why it wouldve been the correct move to draft Ryan in the first place.

We may have reached the playoffs,

Youre god damned right about that. First accurate statement in your post. But, reaching the playoffs isnt good is it? So because we wouldve been making the playoffs, youre saying Ryan wouldve been the incorrect pick because it is better to go 7-9 on the reg and miss the playoffs with Long at LT. Good point.

but we still would've been mediocre just like the Falcons are

A team that has qualified for the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons and attained the #1 seed in one of those seasons is better than mediocre dont you think. Mediocre is what we wish we could be. We are consistantly below mediocre at 7 and 6 wins. But, I guess youre argument is being mediocre is worse than blowing as we do.

You make some strong points. :rolleyes2:

 

[Dmarino110]

Yea but that's my point, these past 4 drafts have been our best in years. If we continue to draft like this we'll be good soon

Comparing the steelers and packers drafts to the Dolphins is bad logic...THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS, we have been CRAP for a long time...it is easier to become a starter through the draft on a team, where the player you are taking over for is crap, then when that player is helping to get his team into the superbowl...

 

[Pinkboy]

Jake Long would be smart to bolt after next year when he's a free agent. Why would he stick around for this mess. He can finish his career in a much happier place with a better franchise, and a team that's properly constructed.

What alot of you dont understand, or dont even bother to see, is the fact that alot of these players wont be here in 1, 2 or 3 years. And now you have to replace those positions - that's ON TOP of all the current holes on the roster that have to be filled.

Dansby will be slowing down. His game is mostly about speed and speed goes first when you hit 30. Wake wont be the same guy in 2 years, and as salary cap stricken as the Dolphins are, he will have to be paid top dollar after next season, along with Jake. Then you have Bush who'll be a UFA after next season, and who knows what he'll be by that time (its very rare for a player to have a career year this deep into a career and then repeat it the following year - thats just a fact). And there's others that will have to be re-upped as their current contract expires

So to finish, a little rundown of this dire and hopeless situation:

1) Not much cap space, 2) no QB, 3) holes everywhere (go to the draft forum and people are looking for CB, Guard, WR, WR, TE, DE pass rusher, SS, FS, RT, QB, even Kuechly at MLB people want - just speaks of all the holes on this team) 4) expiring contracts soon that will require a big raise in pay for numerous players, and last but not least 5) Not a desired destination for players to go to

What a poorly designed and constructed team this is. A total mess

Talented team my arse. This is a team full of flaws, if you care to take off those aqua and orange blinders

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

Once again, my question, would you trade our drafts for those years for theirs?

 

[Pinkboy]

just a thought, but isnt it hard to replace good established players? Greenbay has been drafting well for a long time, LONGER than 4 years. so naturally its going to be harder for their recent draft picks to overcome older established players...

on the other side of the coin, Miami has been drafting like S#!T for 10+ years. That and the fact that new regimes want to implement their own players and picks and it is much easier to become a starter through the draft.

That's exactly right. Just watch in training camp. This new coaching staff is going to purge and cut numerous players that some fans really like, and expected to have on the team. And guess what, some of them will be those beloved draft picks Ireland spent.

creating more holes

Brandon Marshall was just the first one to get the axe

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

Comparing the steelers and packers drafts to the Dolphins is bad logic...THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS, we have been CRAP for a long time...it is easier to become a starter through the draft on a team, where the player you are taking over for is crap, then when that player is helping to get his team into the superbowl...

we haven't been CRAP, just mediocre, big difference...definitely talented, and we've come close to getting over the hump

 

[datruth55]

Did they win the Super Bowl dummy? Their "complete overhaul" isn't done yet

Real internet tough guy with the name calling behind the keyboard.

Their overhaul is moving a heck of a lot better than ours is. We started our overhaul the same year, 2008, in 2011 we had 14 players remaining from our 2008 squad (Chad Henne(R), Lex Hilliard(R), Davone Bess(R), Anthony Fasano, Vernon Carey, Jake Long(R), Kendall Langford(R), Phillip Merling(R), Paul Soliai, Randy Starks, Will Allen, Yeremiah Bell, Dan Carpenter(R) and Brandon Fields) and most of them were rookies. We've had nearly as much turnover in the 4 years the difference is we've made more mistakes in the draft and free agency...especially free agency where guys like Justin Smiley, Ernest Wilford, Jake Grove and Gibril Wilson were not only misses but expensive misses. We've had some hits in free agency as well like Dansby and Starks but the draft picks along with our inability to try and get a QB either in free agency or the draft has been what's really kept us down.

We have failed to get difference makers in the draft instead opting for safe picks...Long is great, Odrick looks like a fine player when he's healthy, Pouncey too but none of these three guys have scored a touchdown made a critical play when we need it most or made OCs or DCs lose sleep on how they would game plan against them. Vontae is the other 1st rounder and he's been good, not great....but he was absolutely needed. Our 2nd rounders...just awful...Chad Henne (gone), Pat White (gone), Sean Smith (I'll say OK but it's a mixed bag around here on him), Koa Misi (not good enough) and we traded two of them for Brandon Marshall (gone). First 3 rounds of the draft should be the bread and butter of the team, the playmakers, the guys that take you from mediocre to good, good to great, great to elite...we've not done well enough there.

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

I wouldnt say so. Hard to place Pouncey yet and Id say Vontae is close.




Fair point. However I may ask exactly how many has Jake Long won?



Thats highly debateable.



Also highly debateable. One fact that isnt debateable is that Ryan is far superior to any QB we have had in 13 years.



Again highly debateable. I would also pose this question to you...... Would you rather be spending top dollar on a QB or spending a bunch of your cap space on a LT? You see the QB position on most good teams is where the biggest slice of you cap space is used. On our team, we use way too much on the LT position IMO. This is one of the key factors in why it wouldve been the correct move to draft Ryan in the first place.



Youre god damned right about that. First accurate statement in your post. But, reaching the playoffs isnt good is it? So because we wouldve been making the playoffs, youre saying Ryan wouldve been the incorrect pick because it is better to go 7-9 on the reg and miss the playoffs with Long at LT. Good point.



A team that has qualified for the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons and attained the #1 seed in one of those seasons is better than mediocre dont you think. Mediocre is what we wish we could be. We are consistantly below mediocre at 7 and 6 wins. But, I guess youre argument is being mediocre is worse than blowing as we do.

You make some strong points. :rolleyes2:

Matt Ryan won't be a super bowl QB and he isn't much better than Henne, it was the right decision. And yea, going to the playoffs isn't good if you aren't going to win it all

 

[datruth55]

Matt Ryan won't be a super bowl QB and he isn't much better than Henne, it was the right decision. And yea, going to the playoffs isn't good if you aren't going to win it all

So they should determine who's going to win it all beforehand and just leave everyone else out of it...actually how do you win the game? Someone has to lose. New England should have stayed home and not gone to the playoffs since they didn't win it all. Packers, Saints, Pitt...all should have forfiet because no sense in playing in the post season since they're not going to win it all.

 

[Dmarino110]

we haven't been CRAP, just mediocre, big difference...definitely talented, and we've come close to getting over the hump

0 difference...we lost 7 games in a row last season...we couldnt put more points on the board then Tebow...we have been CRAP for the better part of 10 years...

 

[Pinkboy]

What a stupid thing to say,

Marino didn't win it all so it must have been stupid to draft him in hindsight, according to your silly rationale and logic

Seriously guys, stop debating with this westernNY guy. He's totally out of touch with reality and doesn't have a clue. This thread, along with all his others today pretty much proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Let him continue believing in such nonsense, fits him well & looks good on him actually

 

[tcdrover]

Ryan is without a doubt better than Henne, Flaco though I don't think so.

They are almost even. At his best Henne has looked better than Flaco at his best. Flaco is on a better team too.

The Steelers and Green Bay have drafted well for over a decade. Their teams have depth and their GMs have been left along to plan for the future. The Dolphins have been unstable since Wannsteadt left and he was a horrible judge of talent.

The one thing that bothers me about Ireland and Parcell's method of drafting is the emphasis on value instead of just drafting the very best available player. Maybe because the team had so many holes to fill this was their approach. This draft will be interesting. Ireland is a good evaluater of talent, if he leaves we may not be so lucky next year.