Who Had Better Draft Classes from 2008-2011 Mia, GB, or Pit???

[WesternNYDolfan]

Ryan is without a doubt better than Henne, Flaco though I don't think so.

They are almost even. At his best Henne has looked better than Flaco at his best. Flaco is on a better team too.

The Steelers and Green Bay have drafted well for over a decade. Their teams have depth and their GMs have been left along to plan for the future. The Dolphins have been unstable since Wannsteadt left and he was a horrible judge of talent.

The one thing that bothers me about Ireland and Parcell's method of drafting is the emphasis on value instead of just drafting the very best available player. Maybe because the team had so many holes to fill this was their approach. This draft will be interesting. Ireland is a good evaluater of talent, if he leaves we may not be so lucky next year.

I can agree with you. But I do feel "value" and the "best available player" are one in the same. Fact is, we may reach for a QB other than that I think we can find some more gems. and if we continue to draft well, like Ireland has eventually we will have a great self sustaining team, this won't be achieved with the constant turnover these whiners are pining for

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

I mean hell, look at the only draft Ireland has made thus far on his own.

1. Pouncy (starter, maybe eventual pro bowler, but undoubtably a top talent at the position)
2. D Thomas (Started his career with consecutive 100 yd games, has a perfectly compatable running style to Bush, being a bruiser while Bush is more shifty, giving us a good 1 2 punch in the backfield for a few years)
3. Gates (Undoubtably fast, a coulple nice returns, he needs to work on his routes, but the guy could become a playmaker, Mike Wallace remember was raw and fast when he came out and his rookie season as well, look at him now)
4. Clay (Made some huge plays, and proved to be a nice downfield threat at TE, something we have been begging for, with more PT this year he could really break out)
5. Kearse, didn't make the team
6. Jimmy Wilson (Made some nice plays as a rookie, filled in for injured starters admirably, something you like to see from a 7th rounder)


That's 5 out of 6 picks looking like good choices

and you're saying you don't want this guy drafting?? Are you really trying to say this guy can't draft?

If anyone is delusional it is the lot of you Fireland idiots

 

[MexDolfan]

Green Bay and Pittburgh are widely regarded as great FO's mainly for their ability to draft and rebuild from within. Another reason they have been able to do this has been there's owner's patience with regimes.

Let's take a look at the last 4 draft classes from Pitt, GB, and Miami; since those are the only drafts Ireland has been in on (therefore the only one he deserves to be accountable for)

Here's my criteria so you can't argue my judgement with anything but factual rebuttels of your own, if I've made an oversight FACTUALLY I will be willing to concede to you.

I've based a successful pick being a solid NFL starter or better, some of the more recent picks from every team can eventually prove themselves to be that i.e. Daniel Thomas or Clyde Gates; but for discussion purposes lets exclude them from being considered a successful pick.

1 team drafted 6 out of 34 (17%)

1 drafted 5 out of 33 (15%)

1 drafted 8 out of 32 (25%)

Can you guess who had the highest success rate? That big idiot :rolleyes2: Jeff Ireland, gosh, why would we trust HIM to build through the draft (this is blatant sarcasm for the knuckledraggers).

Point being, we are drafting well under Ireland, if we continue to draft this well we will be back to respectability sooner than later. But we must quit with the regime flipping, and big splash pleading or this organization is forever doomed.




GREEN BAY’s LAST 4 Draft Classes- 6 Starters out of 34 Picks (17%)

1	32	Derek Sherrod	T	Mississippi State
2	64	Randall Cobb	WR	Kentucky
3	96	Alex Green	RB	Hawaii
4	131	Davon House	DB	New Mexico State
5	141	D.J. Williams	TE	Arkansas
6	179	Caleb Schlauderaff	G	Utah
6	186	D.J. Smith	LB	Appalachian State
6	197	Ricky Elmore	LB	Arizona
7	218	Ryan Taylor	TE	North Carolina
7	233	Lawrence Guy	DT	Arizona State

1	23	Bryan Bulaga	T	Iowa
2	56	Mike Neal	DE	Purdue
3	71	Morgan Burnett	SS	Georgia Tech
5	154	Andrew Quarless	TE	Penn State
5	169	Marshall Newhouse	T	Texas Christian
6	193	James Starks	RB	Buffalo
7	230	C.J. Wilson	DE	East Carolina

1	9	B.J. Raji	NT	Boston College
1	26	Clay Matthews	LB	USC
4	109	T.J. Lang	T	Eastern Michigan
5	145	Quinn Johnson	RB	Louisiana State
5	162	Jamon Meredith	T	South Carolina
6	182	Jarius Wynn	DE	Georgia
6	187	Brandon Underwood	DB	Cincinnati
7	218	Brad Jones	LB	Colorado

2	36	Jordy Nelson	WR	Kansas State
2	56	Brian Brohm	QB	Louisville
2	60	Pat Lee	CB	Auburn
3	91	Jermichael Finley	TE	Texas
4	102	Jeremy Thompson	DE	Wake Forest
4	135	Josh Sitton	G	Central Florida
5	150	Breno Giacomini	T	Louisville
7	209	Matt Flynn	QB	Louisiana State
7	217	Brett Swain	WR	San Diego State

PITTSBURGH’s LAST 4 DRAFT CLASSES- 5 Starters out of 33 Picks, and maybe more to come (15%)

1	31	Cameron Heyward	DE	Ohio State
2	63	Marcus Gilbert	T	Florida
3	95	Curtis Brown	DB	Texas
4	128	Cortez Allen	DB	The Citadel
5	162	Chris Carter	LB	Fresno State
6	196	Keith Williams	G	Nebraska
7	232	Baron Batch	RB	Texas Tech

1	18	Maurkice Pouncey	C	Florida
2	52	Jason Worilds	LB	Virginia Tech
3	82	Emmanuel Sanders	WR	Southern Methodist
4	116	Thaddeus Gibson	LB	Ohio State
5	151	Chris Scott	T	Tennessee
5	164	Crezdon Butler	DB	Clemson
5	166	Stevenson Sylvester	LB	Utah
6	188	Jonathan Dwyer	RB	Georgia Tech
6	195	Antonio Brown	WR	Central Michigan
7	242	Doug Worthington	DE	Ohio State

1	32	Ziggy Hood	DT	Missouri
3	79	Kraig Urbik	T	Wisconsin
3	84	Mike Wallace	WR	Mississippi
3	96	Keenan Lewis	DB	Oregon State
5	168	Joe Burnett	DB	Central Florida
5	169	Frank Summers	RB	Nevada-Las Vegas
6	205	Ra'Shon Harris	DT	Oregon
7	226	A.Q. Shipley	C	Penn State
7	241	David Johnson	TE	Arkansas State

1	23	Rashard Mendenhall	RB	Illinois
2	53	Limas Sweed	WR	Texas
3	88	Bruce Davis	LB	UCLA
4	130	Tony Hills	T	Texas
5	156	Dennis Dixon	QB	Oregon
6	188	Mike Humpal	OLB	Iowa
6	194	Ryan Mundy	FS	West Virginia

MIAMI’s LAST 4 DRAFT CLASSES (WHICH IS ALL YOU CAN JUDGE IRELAND ON AND REALLY WE SHOULD ONLY BE JUDGING LAST YEAR SINCE IT WAS HIS ONLY CLASS)- 8 Starters out of 32 Picks (25%)

1	15	Mike Pouncey	C	Florida
2	62	Daniel Thomas	RB	Kansas State
4	111	Edmond Gates	WR	Abilene Christian
6	174	Charles Clay	RB	Tulsa
7	231	Frank Kearse	DT	Alabama A&M
7	235	Jimmy Wilson	DB	Montana

1	28	Jared Odrick	DE	Penn State
2	40	Koa Misi	OLB	Utah
3	73	John Jerry	G	Mississippi
4	119	A.J. Edds	LB	Iowa
5	145	Nolan Carroll	CB	Maryland
5	163	Reshad Jones	FS	Georgia
7	212	Chris McCoy	LB	Middle Tennessee State
7	252	Austin Spitler	LB	Ohio State

1	25	Vontae Davis	DB	Illinois
2	44	Pat White	QB	West Virginia
2	61	Sean Smith	DB	Utah
3	87	Patrick Turner	WR	USC
4	108	Brian Hartline	WR	Ohio State
5	161	John Nalbone	TE	Monmouth (N.J.)
5	165	Chris Clemons	DB	Clemson
6	181	Andrew Gardner	T	Georgia Tech
7	214	J.D. Folsom	LB	Weber State

1	1	Jake Long	T	Michigan
2	32	Phillip Merling	DE	Clemson
2	57	Chad Henne	QB	Michigan
3	66	Kendall Langford	DE	Hampton
4	110	Shawn Murphy	G	Utah State
6	176	Jalen Parmele	RB	Toledo
6	195	Donald Thomas	G	Connecticut
6	204	Lex Hilliard	RB	Montana
7	245	Lionel Dotson	DE	Arizona

I love the "building through the draft" argument.
But you're missing that each pool of talent was different for each team.

While Dolphins needed many bodies just to fill the starting lineup, while Pittsburgh was looking for a pir of pieces and several backups.
Green Bay has been "building through the draft" since 2005, and some of their stars needed 4 years to be full time starters, so it's a long route and you are focusing on the last seasons.

If you could pick a set players of that list, which set is more likely to start elsewhere?

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

I love the "building through the draft" argument.
But you're missing that each pool of talent was different for each team.

While Dolphins needed many bodies just to fill the starting lineup, while Pittsburgh was looking for a pir of pieces and several backups.
Green Bay has been "building through the draft" since 2005, and some of their stars needed 4 years to be full time starters, so it's a long route and you are focusing on the last seasons.

If you could pick a set players of that list, which set is more likely to start elsewhere?

I chose the past 4 years just because that's been Ireland's time, you are absolutely correct, it takes more than 4 years, we needed to make a lot of unsexy picks to fill pressing needs, and if we continue to draft well we will be good, this is my point

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

I mean hell, look at the only draft Ireland has made thus far on his own.

1. Pouncy (starter, maybe eventual pro bowler, but undoubtably a top talent at the position)
2. D Thomas (Started his career with consecutive 100 yd games, has a perfectly compatable running style to Bush, being a bruiser while Bush is more shifty, giving us a good 1 2 punch in the backfield for a few years)
3. Gates (Undoubtably fast, a coulple nice returns, he needs to work on his routes, but the guy could become a playmaker, Mike Wallace remember was raw and fast when he came out and his rookie season as well, look at him now)
4. Clay (Made some huge plays, and proved to be a nice downfield threat at TE, something we have been begging for, with more PT this year he could really break out)
5. Kearse, didn't make the team
6. Jimmy Wilson (Made some nice plays as a rookie, filled in for injured starters admirably, something you like to see from a 7th rounder)


That's 5 out of 6 picks looking like good choices

and you're saying you don't want this guy drafting?? Are you really trying to say this guy can't draft?

If anyone is delusional it is the lot of you Fireland idiots

You forgot to mention Kearse was plucked from our Practice squad in added to Carolina's active roster and ended up starting four out six possible games he appeared in.

But hey it's cool to bash the GM for everything that happened in the previous 30 years.

 

[WesternNYDolfan]

You forgot to mention Kearse was plucked from our Practice squad in added to Carolina's active roster and ended up starting for out possible games he appeared in.

I mentioned him, and it proves he was a good pick, our d-line was just too deep to put him on the active roster unfortunately