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who is the most underrated fin ?

every team gets their qb in the shotgun. it depends on the defense and play they want to run and where the qb can get that play executed from the quickest. expecially in spread/multi wr sets.

the wco is not a run n shoot team that is predominantly run from the gun. its basis is under center.

how often did you see montana under center? [if you go back that far].

come on MIZFIT. even you can do better than that. [right? :confused:]

Uhh, Philbin didnt run the Niners offense back then. He ran the packers offense. In which Rodgers is in the gun far more than under center.

Regardless, I prefer Manning, Flynn, and RGIII over Moore. They could all run the WCO offense better than Moore, IMO.
 
and just to ad a bit on that, as i said, the shotgun is used depending on the play called and defense their expecting. it is also put in to at times to help slow down blitzes and give qb more time to read. or at times, lack of personel.

DAN MARINO: lived off the gun. they couldnt run the ball to save their souls and used a lot of spread formations giving dan more time to read and pic his options. fundamental. with no run game to rely on, they threw the ball A LOT and dan loved the shotgun to run his pass happy offense.

AARON RODGERS: NOT much running game in 2011. he finds himself in the same situation as danny did for most of his career, having to throw out to spread sets with multiple wrs do to lack of a run game.

but even in the gun, its some what of an art. this year, matt ryan was handed the shotgun offense. didnt suit him. he responded with a bad year. they were hoping the gun would help get his sack totals down but he didnt prove to have the defensive read skills you need to be succesfull with it.

THE WCO when run in its true form is a run and pass BALANCE offense. as with any offense when you get carried away with one or the other in pass or run, you become one dimentional and the good teams stop you as the pack found out against the giants. the succesfull wco teams were SUPER BALANCED with run and pass, they could do either very well when called upon to do it.

wco is predicated to set up big runs on sweeps and draw plays. the wco is based off UNDER CENTER because 98% of the time when your in shotgun, its a pass, there are only so many run plays out of the gun and most are eliminated by down and distance.

thats why joe montana was predominantly under center as was steve young. being under center and having a big time rb are the KEYS to a SUCCESFUL wco. wco is designed to keep defenses guessing. if your in the gun to much, not much to guess!!

i can promise you, the pack will have a better rb this year and run the ball more and rodgers will not be in the gun as much.

look at the time sherman ran the offense in greenbay and the run game they had to go with their passing attack. they ran the ball real well, something rodgers does not have the luxery of.

again, it was a good try, but the wco IS based out of under center and sherman and philbin have a strong run game already in place with reggie and they wont be a shotgun, throw at all costs team with the qb in the gun 80% of the time.

and i will bet you ANYTHING, you name it, that miami wont be going after rg3.
 
mike mcarthy called the plays and and it was HIS philosophy that philbin coordinated for him.

philbin didnt get to decide if they were going to a big time back who can catch as well as run which was missing and got them a quick exit from the playoffs. not that i know of.

so to say the way things are going with the offense in greenbay is on philbin is taking a few liberties.

guys who made sure the pack had a strong run game to go with there pass attack were much more balanced and resembled the true wco. and with sherman on board and philbin saying sherman will coordinate the offense and call his plays doesnt screem shotgun offense to me.

philbin himself said, "what is the wco these days" because of this as many of the people supposedly running it are not going by its blue print as guys like walsh and denny green and mike holmgren. the eagles, being as exciting as they are, got pass happy with the wco and it cost them a few superbowls. the pack seem to be leaning that way now, overlooking the run part of the wco and as exciting as they were this year, no cigar. you cant beat a team like the giants being one dimentional.

i just dont see rg3 running around out of the gun under sherman and philbin. i see them running much more of an organic, TRUE wco.

at least i hope.

so hows about my bet? lets do this. i am so sure the finz want nothing to do with RG3 that if they pic him, either by trade or if he falls to them, even if during the draft the guys in the booth say we heard miami tried real hard to go up and get rg3 but didnt have enough to get it done, i will LEAVE THE BOARD and not come back.

and of course, if i am right, your gone for good.

take that bet?

i am that sure. are you?

and not that i want you to leave, not at all. i just am that sure and will abide by my bet.

[yeah,yeah, i know, come on ireland, get rg3!!]
 
Haha, you are crazy sir. I never said they would be going to get RGIII. Its a possiblity, but I dont think it will happen. I just said I prefer him, Manning, and Flynn over Moore. Thats it. Dont get ahead of yourself.

PS: RGIII is no Mike Vick. He can run under center.
 
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I don't see how Wake is underrated. Last season yes. This season he was mentioned as the defensive star of our team for the most part and he underperformed (partially because teams knew to focus on him. Id say some underrated players are:

Hartline, Odrick, Fields, Vontae, Starks
 
Just not athletic? He catches everything you throw at him and he's hard to bring down. But not athletic? Watch and see what Peyton does with him.
 
randy starks has been not only solid for 3 years now (not really flashy numbers but in 09 i think he had 6 sacks which was impressive, and this year he had like 2 picks in 1 game) but he may be the meanest guy in our front 7. doesn't complain was willing to move to NT when asked and moved back. stays on the field A LOT.

kevin burnett was really good for us this year down the stretch. i think a lot of people thought he'd be no more than another tim dobbins for us.
 
I agree with Fasano. Honourable mentions for Odrick, Fields and D. Bess
 
Brandon Fields without a doubt

48.8 average...3rd in the NFL
41.1 net average...4th in the NFL
32 punts inside ...tied for third in the NFL

Nobody on this team is top 3 or 4 in the NFL
in various categories except maybe Wake in QB pressures

Fields name is never mentioned but he is one of the best punters in the NFL
 
I don't see how Wake is underrated. Last season yes. This season he was mentioned as the defensive star of our team for the most part and he underperformed (partially because teams knew to focus on him. Id say some underrated players are:

Hartline, Odrick, Fields, Vontae, Starks

Wake did not under perform. That's ridiculous to say.
 
Bess! He's a conversion machine, even on 3rd and 53, I believe in Bess to get that 1st down.
 
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