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Rewind to April 20th of 2004 right before the draft. who did u want the Phins to draft? Most dolfans, including myself, wanted a 1st-round O-lineman, Vernon Carey being near the top of the wishlist for many.

Now, after a full season, with no injuries, Vernon Carey may still fail to be a penciled in starter. and at the same time, 6th rounder Rex Hadnot is the penciled-in starter at RG, the position where many thought Carey would end up at. and Hadnot already has more NFL gameplaying experience than Carey going into year 2.

How crazy would u have thought a guy was who told u Hadnot would straight up outperform Carey even with Carey not letting his weight get out of control. How crazy would u have thought a guy was who had Hadnot ahead of Carey on the draft board? it just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the draft can be.

(BTW i know that Carey may still very well end up being our starting LT, but from what I've read, combined with the fact that Hadnot played more than Carey as rookies when both were healthy, is enough evidence to say Hadnot at least at this stage is better than Carey.)
 
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well I know I picked Hadnot to start at RG. I never stated he would beat out Carey but he is a better choice at RG.

I thought it was funny when some starting saying Hadnot would be moved to Center. I think I used the phrase "if it isn't broke don't fix it"

I got critiscized for stating THAT while saying Hadnot would be our starting RG.

My initial pick for o-line was

LT-Mcintosh
LG- James
C- Smith (So far it's Mckinney)
RG- Hadnot
RT-Mcdougle
 
killswitch said:
Rewind to April 20th of 2004 right before the draft. who did u want the Phins to draft? Most dolfans, including myself, wanted a 1st-round O-lineman, Vernon Carey being near the top of the wishlist for many.

Now, after a full season, with no injuries, Vernon Carey may still fail to be a penciled in starter. and at the same time, 6th rounder Rex Hadnot is the penciled-in starter at RG, the position where many thought Carey would end up at. and Hadnot already has more NFL gameplaying experience than Carey going into year 2.

How crazy would u have thought a guy was who told u Hadnot would straight up outperform Carey even with Carey not letting his weight get out of control. How crazy would u have thought a guy was who had Hadnot ahead of Carey on the draft board? it just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the draft can be.

(BTW i know that Carey may still very well end up being our starting LT, but from what I've read, combined with the fact that Hadnot played more than Carey as rookies when both were healthy, is enough evidence to say Hadnot at least at this stage is better than Carey.)
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This illustrates the point that O-line is a difficult position to grade in the draft. Many of the best linemen in the league were mid to late rd selections.
It is also why you never saw JJ spend a first rd pick on an O-linemen. He always felt you could find raw talent in the later rds. You can build a very solid O-line without investing first rd money (Broncos etc.).
How many people would like for the phins to be using a large chunk of cap money to pay an Orlando Pace contract? I personally wouldn't. That type of money has to go to an impact player i.e QB, RB, DE, WR
 
They obviously think highly of him if they're giving him a chance at LT.... and if he doesn't make it there, he'll probably earn a spot on the right side, movfing one of those player to center over McKinney.
 
The draft=gambling in Vegas?

Sometimes you get to try and make a tough point, the hard way, i. e. Carey and sometimes you roll a seven, Hadnut!
 
You also have to remember that OTackle is alot harrder to play than OGuard. Tackles have to be more athletic, faster, and more aware. Tackles also face some of the most athletic defenders in the league. DE's OLB's and even safety's com crashing down and it is usualy the OT's job to keep those guys off the QB.


Don't get me wrong, I think Hadnot played great and was a huge steal in the 6th round, but you cant really compare the two players development when their responsibilities are so different.
 
jlfin said:
This illustrates the point that O-line is a difficult position to grade in the draft. Many of the best linemen in the league were mid to late rd selections.
It is also why you never saw JJ spend a first rd pick on an O-linemen. He always felt you could find raw talent in the later rds. You can build a very solid O-line without investing first rd money (Broncos etc.).
How many people would like for the phins to be using a large chunk of cap money to pay an Orlando Pace contract? I personally wouldn't. That type of money has to go to an impact player i.e QB, RB, DE, WR
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I consider Pace and any other big time LT to be an impact player. There's a lot to be said for a guy who can keep the D's best player off your QB's back. Blindside hits on the QB are the ones most likely to cause turnovers or injuries. They may not get the glory, but a great LT can make a HUGE difference in the success of your team.
 
killswitch said:
Rewind to April 20th of 2004 right before the draft. who did u want the Phins to draft? Most dolfans, including myself, wanted a 1st-round O-lineman, Vernon Carey being near the top of the wishlist for many.

Now, after a full season, with no injuries, Vernon Carey may still fail to be a penciled in starter. and at the same time, 6th rounder Rex Hadnot is the penciled-in starter at RG, the position where many thought Carey would end up at. and Hadnot already has more NFL gameplaying experience than Carey going into year 2.

How crazy would u have thought a guy was who told u Hadnot would straight up outperform Carey even with Carey not letting his weight get out of control. How crazy would u have thought a guy was who had Hadnot ahead of Carey on the draft board? it just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the draft can be.

(BTW i know that Carey may still very well end up being our starting LT, but from what I've read, combined with the fact that Hadnot played more than Carey as rookies when both were healthy, is enough evidence to say Hadnot at least at this stage is better than Carey.)
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You just never can tell in the NFL. The fact is there are always guys who get rated high b/c of the team they are on and guys who get devalued b/c of the team they are on. It takes a special mentality - different from college - to succeed in the NFL and Hadnot seems to have that. His biggest flaw is his physical size. Carey may eventually get there but he just may not have either the mental skills or the psychological skills to become a great O-lineman.

This is why there will always be Ryan Leafs (#2 pick in the draft) and Tom Bradys (6th round) - who would have thought that? No one in the NFL - not even the Patriots, b/c they passed him by the first five rounds!

But, as you say, I would never have predicted this. It's just impossible to predict the outcome of any player. There are no sure things in the draft.
 
jlfin said:
This illustrates the point that O-line is a difficult position to grade in the draft. Many of the best linemen in the league were mid to late rd selections.
It is also why you never saw JJ spend a first rd pick on an O-linemen. He always felt you could find raw talent in the later rds. You can build a very solid O-line without investing first rd money (Broncos etc.).
How many people would like for the phins to be using a large chunk of cap money to pay an Orlando Pace contract? I personally wouldn't. That type of money has to go to an impact player i.e QB, RB, DE, WR
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The three most important posisions on a football team are QB, LT, DE.
 
killswitch said:
Rewind to April 20th of 2004 right before the draft. who did u want the Phins to draft? Most dolfans, including myself, wanted a 1st-round O-lineman, Vernon Carey being near the top of the wishlist for many.

Now, after a full season, with no injuries, Vernon Carey may still fail to be a penciled in starter. and at the same time, 6th rounder Rex Hadnot is the penciled-in starter at RG, the position where many thought Carey would end up at. and Hadnot already has more NFL gameplaying experience than Carey going into year 2.

How crazy would u have thought a guy was who told u Hadnot would straight up outperform Carey even with Carey not letting his weight get out of control. How crazy would u have thought a guy was who had Hadnot ahead of Carey on the draft board? it just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the draft can be.

(BTW i know that Carey may still very well end up being our starting LT, but from what I've read, combined with the fact that Hadnot played more than Carey as rookies when both were healthy, is enough evidence to say Hadnot at least at this stage is better than Carey.)
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It just shows you how much of a crapshoot the NFL Draft really is. In any given year there's only a half-dozen to a dozen can't miss prospects. After that, you may as well be playing Pin the tail on the Donkey.
 
well this just proves that we should have drafted rashaun woods wr that san fran drafted ,yet i realize that my boy rashaun had a real bad year however erickson was a wanny twin with gray hair and no pornstache . you can mark it down rashaun woods would have been perfect with chambers, booker , and boston i will predict woods will have more tds this year than boston and thompson combine.
 
im not giving up on carey when i say this...but spielman and wannstedt's panic approach to drafting hurt this franchise...last year they should have sat at 20 and waited for the BPA to drop to them...instead they were burning a hole in the carpet at dolphins draft headquarters, pacing around the room, hoping that theyd get one of the top 2 OL in the draft...this cost them a 4th round pick...now, we sit here and are stuck with a hole at DT and a hole at LT...either or could have been filled with patience...
 
Good thread.

The guy I think all of us wanted was Shawn Andrews. And the closer he got, the more excited we became. I'll never forget how deflated we were when Philly swooped in a swiped him. After that I was all about Vince Wilfork or trading down.

Vernon Carey is still the most talented player on our OL. But he's still got to prove that he's a professional football player. And that entails a good work ethic and mental perparation. Vernon did pretty well against JT in mini-camp. But we'll see how he does against JT full blast with the pads on.

I hope he pans out. But I remain skeptical. I think, reading into Houck's comments, that Carey still has a ways to go. I also think Houck isn't 100% sold on him. I don't know if he's got the quickness/agility to be a top LT. But definitely so at RT. And he'd be a dominating guard IMO (again, all assuming he can get it together upstairs).

Hadnot......I think we really got good value here. He might not be an All-Pro, who knows. But he's gonna be a good starter IMO. Houck said he could move to the point if we wanted him to. One thing about his size. He's already uber powerful. And being lower, he can get leverage against a taller lineman.
 
IMO the real shame of the whole drafting Carey ordeal is that we gave up two draft choices and not just a 1st to get him. He still hasn't justified the pick and may never justify losing a 4th rounder for his selection. There have been a lot of good players, some great in the 4th round and who knows who we may have gotten and what he could have become for the Dolphins.
 
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