Why are people so hung up on the fact Matt flynn has only had two career starts?

[houtz]

Basically,

If we take Flynn and he flops we are stuck with a QB for a good 5-6 years for 60-70 mill on the contract (25 guaranteed).

If we take RGIII and he flops stuck with a QB for 4 years at say, 25 mill.

Flynn is now actually the "greater risk, greater reward" QB rather than RGIII.

But yeah..... A.J. Feely anyone?

Not true one bit. Dolphins could put a out in the contract to protect them if Matt Flynn does indeed bust, which IMO he wont. Same as Arizona did with Kolb.

You can keep throwing A.J Feely's name around but AJ Feely has NEVER looked like Matt Flynn. Period.

 

[MRojas4]

-Dolphins sign Matt Flynn- "Oh God, AJ Feely 2.0"
-Dolphins sign experienced FA QB- "Oh God Trent Green 2.0"
-Dolphins trade for experienced QB- "Oh God Daunte Culpepper 2.0"
-Dolphins draft a QB- "Oh God Pat White/John Beck/ Chad Henne 2.0"

We've pretty much run the gamete of possiblities, we need someone who recognizes a really good potential QB and get his butt in here. If our staff thinks Flynn can be great, then bring him in. We've gotten to the point where we can't shy away from candidates based on our past failures.

I was replying to the reason why people are hung up on Matt Flynn and his 2 career starts. Brings flash backs of A.J. Feely.

Personally, I think Flynn will be a legitamite QB once he gets his own team. But people are questioning whats the greater risk. Give up picks for RGIII or throw money at Flynn and hope he doesn't "Kolb" on us.

 

[DeathStar]

Which counters to you pissing and moaning about everything the Dolphins do.

After a decade of mediocrity...

I'm a realist.

It's our turn to suck just like the Lions/Browns/Redskins/Jets before Ryan....

But I'm gonna enjoy people claiming that Moore is great once we hire McCoy...Carry on.

 

[Phins28]

-Dolphins sign Matt Flynn- "Oh God, AJ Feely 2.0"
-Dolphins sign experienced FA QB- "Oh God Trent Green 2.0"
-Dolphins trade for experienced QB- "Oh God Daunte Culpepper 2.0"
-Dolphins draft a QB- "Oh God Pat White/John Beck/ Chad Henne 2.0"

We've pretty much run the gamete of possiblities, we need someone who recognizes a really good potential QB and get his butt in here. If our staff thinks Flynn can be great, then bring him in. We've gotten to the point where we can't shy away from candidates based on our past failures.

Where is the 1000 thanks button?

 

[andyahs]

After a decade of mediocrity...

*Yawn*

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Not true one bit. Dolphins could put a out in the contract to protect them if Matt Flynn does indeed bust, which IMO he wont. Same as Arizona did with Kolb.

You can keep throwing A.J Feely's name around but AJ Feely has NEVER looked like Matt Flynn. Period.

True. If we can sign Flynn to a Kolb type of contract which would allow us to unload him if he busts, it would be a great signing.

 

[Dmarino110]

...And yet are willing to sell the farm to get a completely unproven nfl rookie quarterback? I know there are distinct differences like the fact Matt flynn is a 7th round pick but when analysising say RGIII against Flynn, you have to see that flynn actually has 2 more starts, and has been impressive in both.. You have absoloutely no idea how RGIII will transition into the nfl, and thats why I believe signing matt flynn is actually a lot less risky..

Then you have the argument that flynn is just a very good system quarterback, but why is this a problem either? Considering the most likely scenario for flynn to come to miami is if philbin is named head coach who will implement that offensive system that flynn has been accustomed to..

Then you've got the comparisons to players like AJ feeley, however once again Flynn is not the same, he's just a free agent that can brought in to at worst compete for the starting job.. Your not risking any future draft picks to pick him up and going back to the previous argument, Flynn is going to be in a system he can excel and be comfortable in.

This combined with the fact that this will allow us to use our draft picks to address other key areas such as a pass rusher opposite wake and bringing in another recieving threat, mean I am very much on the Matt flynn bandwagon..

If he doesn't pan out, you haven't cost your team anything, we aren't going to need to trade away draft picks unless the unlikely occurence of him being franchise tagged takes place, and we'd probably be looking at a mediocre season if he wasn't our quarterback anyway.... If he does pan out, we've got our quarterback of the future, we've addressed key needs in the draft, combined with moves were likely to make in free agency such as carl nicks means that if he does actually pan out, there is no reason this team can't contend a super bowl..

Yes I understand drafting a rookie in the 1st round and picking up a 7th round pick with 2 career stats in free agency aren't the same situation but I was using it to emphasise my arguement because quite honestly, with Barkley declaring, and luck a lock for the number 1 pick, there isn't another qb in this draft im completely sold on, certainly not sold enough to trade future first round picks anyway.. So why not bring in Matt flynn? It could be a disaster but we've been stuck in mediocrity for so long, if it does pan out, I have a firm belief this team can go to a super bowl.

DOES ANYONE HERE REMEMBER AJ FEELEY?

am I the only one that remembers him?

That is why we are hung up on 2 starts, because aj had a few good game in a system offence and WAS CRAP HERE...I dont want a system offense...I want freaking tom bradys offense, where the QB is the key and not the system...

 

[armyphin]

I like my draft picks, I'm down with Flynn.

I agree.

If we take Flynn and he flops we are stuck with a QB for a good 5-6 years for 60-70 mill on the contract (25 guaranteed).

According to who?

That's just speculation.

Nobody at this point has any idea what it'll cost to get Flynn in free agency. If the price is right, you grab the guy. If it's not, you move on.

All Flynn costs is money. Getting RGIII means losing future draft picks.

I'd rather get Flynn at the right price and use draft picks to improve the team instead of giving away years of draft picks to move up for RGIII.

 

[hoops]

I think you're way off on the "If he doesn't pan out, you haven't cost your team anything" bit

Flynn is going to come with a starting QB price tag. If you consider that Kolb got over 60m (21m guaranteed) - and that was in a trade - then Flynn on the open market is going to get seriously paid. Much more expensive than Luck / RGIII and definitely a financial burden that is going to impact the team for a few years if Flynn turns out to be a system product. Oh and it would also be another season or two wasted

wrong...he won't be much more expensive than using a top 5 pick on a qb...

 

[sm0kinfins]

I think you're way off on the "If he doesn't pan out, you haven't cost your team anything" bit

Flynn is going to come with a starting QB price tag. If you consider that Kolb got over 60m (21m guaranteed) - and that was in a trade - then Flynn on the open market is going to get seriously paid. Much more expensive than Luck / RGIII and definitely a financial burden that is going to impact the team for a few years if Flynn turns out to be a system product. Oh and it would also be another season or two wasted

To add to this very valid point... Would he even come here unless he's not only getting paid big time money but also guarenteed the starting job? He's a pretty hot commodity right now and no way in hell do I see him agreeing to a contract with us if he's expected to compete for a chance to start.

 

[Doctor Phibes]

Not true one bit. Dolphins could put a out in the contract to protect them if Matt Flynn does indeed bust, which IMO he wont. Same as Arizona did with Kolb.

You can keep throwing A.J Feely's name around but AJ Feely has NEVER looked like Matt Flynn. Period.

We could try to put something like that in the contract but in all likelihood that would simply mean Flynn going elsewhere. The big difference here is that Kolb moved in a trade, not a free-for-all auction.

 

[chrispepper]

True. If we can sign Flynn to a Kolb type of contract which would allow us to unload him if he busts, it would be a great signing.

Yeah I should of put that in my post... It definitley is a risk if we sign Flynn to a massive contract without an opt-out clause.. Should of made that clearer my bad.

 

[hoops]

you don't bring matt flynn in for the money he's gonna command in free agency to compete with anyone...he's your starter...period

that said i doubt his guaranteed money is much more than what you'd be giving a top 5 pick qb under this new cba

 

[Tunaphish429]

Matt Cassel looked pretty good with the pats before he was traded to the chiefs...Scott Mitchell..AJ Feely.. Dante Culpepper. There are plenty of qbs that have come to Mia either Fa or Trade and have not lived up to the hype...What makes anyone so sure that Flynn would be great for us? I see a packers team with a lot of weapons. I see a really good offensive minded coach and a Qb that has played in that system for quite a while now..If Flynn came here and could play in that same system and we gave him some more weapons to work with I would not be against it, but thats alot of "ifs"....

I just dont see Flynn as a huge upgrade over Moore, not for that money. Giving him that money hurts you big time cap wise..It would be like your drafting him #1 overall. You can use that money for someone like Carl Nicks.

 

[chrispepper]

Matt Cassel looked pretty good with the pats before he was traded to the chiefs...Scott Mitchell..AJ Feely.. Dante Culpepper. There are plenty of qbs that have come to Mia either Fa or Trade and have not lived up to the hype...What makes anyone so sure that Flynn would be great for us? I see a packers team with a lot of weapons. I see a really good offensive minded coach and a Qb that has played in that system for quite a while now..If Flynn came here and could play in that same system and we gave him some more weapons to work with I would not be against it, but thats alot of "ifs"....

I just dont see Flynn as a huge upgrade over Moore, not for that money. Giving him that money hurts you big time cap wise..It would be like your drafting him #1 overall. You can use that money for someone like Carl Nicks.

Yes flynn could very well just be a system quarterback like cassell was with the patriots.... that's why if we hire Philbin as head coach this wont be a problem as he'll be in the same system.