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Why aren't we playing the 4-3?

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I don't understand what is so special about the 3-4, other than the Patsies run it?

We have more down lineman with more talent that Linebacker. Hell, we even had to convert Matt Roth to Linebacker because we didnt' have enough good men.

Kendall Langford and Randy Starks are becoming the bright spot in the offense. You can put Jason Fergeson and Vonnie Holiday in the middle. Have Phillip Merling on Right End. And you can basically swap out Paul Soliai and R.Wright if any of them get tired.

I think that would be a pretty tuff front 4. I'm not sure the 3-4 really suits this team that lacks talent at Linebacker.
 
We are running the 3-4 so we can be unpredictable and dynamic on defense....So we can run myriad blitz packages at opposing offenses, and, be proactive, keeping them on thier heels.

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Yeah atleast that's the idea of it. Let's give BP another draft and offseason to get closer to what it's suppose to look like. Pace would have really helped that though.
 
With Roth at LB, It's not too hard to have him Blitz to simulate the 4-3. 4-3's are traditionally better against the run, and stopping the run is generally more important than stopping the pass. The 4-3 was very successful here under JJ and Wannstadt.

With the 3-4, you can put an extra player, a linebacker or safety into pass coverage. With a big linebacker like Roth, it is a little more flexible, as discussed earlier.

Of course Zach was our best linebacker in pass coverage, and now that he's gone, I'm not expecting any Interceptions by these current linebackers. So as discussed, you can take out a Matt Roth on passing downs and put in a Jason Allen, and have 5 dbs. Or you can blitz this safety, Jason Allen, who is pretty fast... or have this guy cover the pass and have a sneaky corner blitz.
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Your premise is a good one though. Our d-line is more talented than our linebackers. I favor the 4-3, so I'd probably use it myself.

With a 4-3, and a healthy rotation of backups, you can tire out an offensive line. Basically you take out Roth, and replace him with Starks. On 3rd downs you have Roth, Ferguson, Holliday, Merling. Merling is really fast, and would make a great 4-3 lineman (when he gains some weight, he'll be a starting 3-4 lineman).

Another thing you can do is have Holliday, Starks, Ferguson, Merling with Roth at linebacker, and simulate a 5-2 defense with Roth blitzing. Try and run on that defense, I dare you.
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That being said... as discussed, our run-defense is ranked #12 right now (up from 31 last year). Stopping the run isn't our biggest problem, and so perhaps the returns from playing the 4-3 would be somewhat marginal.

Preventing the pass is our biggest problem, and I don't see a solution on this roster to fix it. There are statisting on the passing defense like Opposing team QB rating, YPA... last year we didn't give up a whole lot of passing yards because teams could get 4.5 yards per rush against us (I think this is down to 3.1 this year).

However, the Yards per Attempted pass last year was in the bottom 10 for both Will Allen at #1 corner, and Michael Lehan at #2 corner. The opposing QB rating was also in the top-10 in the league(very bad), with a very high completion percentage.

Basically, we have a #2 corner in Will Allen playing #1, and Andre Goodman, a #3 corner playing the #2 spot. So our guys can't cover well, which puts pressure on the safeties. Basically, an opposing team can avoid Y Bell, and focus on Crocker (who is often in no mans land), and expect a pass to be completed.

Something you could do, is demote Will Allen even though he is our best corner. If you have Lehan starting as the #1, you can guarantee that the opposing teams #1 WR will have 150 yards receiving per game, as it is a mis-match. However, with Will Allen at #2 and Goodman at #3, perhaps you can shut down the other 2 receivers.

You can constantly double team this #1 WR with a safety, and perhaps we get lucky that the opposing team avoids throwing into double coverage (like they are taught).

This is a bad solution, but it is creative, and probably our best option. I don't think we'll see it, though.
 
how to effectively use the double-team

I like the double team idea...and to be specific, use our #1 on man coverage against their #2, and use a safety and our #2 (or even #3) against their #1. Maybe not every down, but overall in passing situations in man coverage this is an option.
 
I don't understand what is so special about the 3-4, other than the Patsies run it?

We have more down lineman with more talent that Linebacker. Hell, we even had to convert Matt Roth to Linebacker because we didnt' have enough good men.

Kendall Langford and Randy Starks are becoming the bright spot in the offense. You can put Jason Fergeson and Vonnie Holiday in the middle. Have Phillip Merling on Right End. And you can basically swap out Paul Soliai and R.Wright if any of them get tired.

I think that would be a pretty tuff front 4. I'm not sure the 3-4 really suits this team that lacks talent at Linebacker.


good question. it's because that is the defense the tuna wants us to have so might as well try and perfect it now even though we have 4-3 personnel. i just wish we would've picked up a few more LB's via the draft or free agency - or maybe not discard 2 potential starting 3-4 LB's - so we would be more effective runnning a blitz dependent defense.

i've asked this question on here myself a few times and i think that's it.
 
our problems on defense are really a result of a poor secondary as opposed to whether or not we run a three or four man front. It's debatable whether or not we'd get more pressure on the qb with a 4 man front then we do right now with three. I think that our recieving corps is so week that during training camp our secondary was overestimated in terms of how good it actually isn't. A four man front will not keep those boneheads from playing two differnt coverages at the same time for example.
 
our problems on defense are really a result of a poor secondary as opposed to whether or not we run a three or four man front. It's debatable whether or not we'd get more pressure on the qb with a 4 man front then we do right now with three. I think that our recieving corps is so week that during training camp our secondary was overestimated in terms of how good it actually isn't. A four man front will not keep those boneheads from playing two differnt coverages at the same time for example.

Exactly. We are doing well with the 3-4 and if it aint broke dont fix it.
 
I don't understand what is so special about the 3-4, other than the Patsies run it?

We have more down lineman with more talent that Linebacker. Hell, we even had to convert Matt Roth to Linebacker because we didnt' have enough good men.

Kendall Langford and Randy Starks are becoming the bright spot in the offense. You can put Jason Fergeson and Vonnie Holiday in the middle. Have Phillip Merling on Right End. And you can basically swap out Paul Soliai and R.Wright if any of them get tired.

I think that would be a pretty tuff front 4. I'm not sure the 3-4 really suits this team that lacks talent at Linebacker.

It's a good question suggesting that the talent dictate the system... Unfortunately in this case I really think that this regime is set on the 3-4 and would perfer to have the young guys learn inside it.

I think the idea that the 3-4 is actually a LB system might be a little misleading since it is the LB's who make the plays but the reality is... there is a HUGE amount of pressure on the DL as well... They must command (and handle) double teams in order to free up the LB's to make plays...

Langford actually played and was successful in this system prior and Roth's transition has actually looked pretty natural to me... he looks more comfortable in this system right now. Merling does not look out of place either...

I think if you are committed to using this system in the future (all signs point to 'yes') you are better off taking your lumps now but having the personnel work inside it, instead of asking them to make a switch down the line.
 
I think it's harder to run a 3-4 than a 4-3. You need 3 linemen to get pressure against 5 OL. And you're much more dependent on your LB's to make plays. I think it takes a more talented team to make use of it.We've been using the 4-3 to good results for years. This is our first year running the 3-4 and I don't think we have the personnel to use it to best advantage.

We really need to upgrade our LB corps. And losing Zach and JT really hurts our defense. Honestly I think our defense is going to suck until we get more talent at LB and DB. You'll probably see some improvment by end of this season and by next year after we draft some more defensive players you'll see a much improved defense I think.
 
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