He's a tweener... with a great motor...
One great year backed by...?
J.Long, S.Ellis, Dorsey, Glholsten to name a few reasons
One great year backed by...?
J.Long, S.Ellis, Dorsey, Glholsten to name a few reasons
Why Chris Long makes no sense...
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VT Dolphan
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And a great motor is a bad thing? Tweeners are useful when you run a 3-4 defense, so that should not be viewed as a problem. He can play linebacker on running downs, and end in passing situations. Add in his leadership and pedigree and it makes plenty of sense. I still think I would prefer Jake Long, but Chris Long definitely makes a lot of sense as well.
whats a tweener again? as in the REAL word cuz isnt it like 2 words put into one? something like a guy that doesnt have a set position but needs to be figured out right?
anyways ya the team said they dont look at ppl with 1 year wonder situations goin on and long did have that last year as oppose to others available at the spot. shoot long has been doin it for 4 yrs of consistency as in Jake. thats a big factor
3rdandinches
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I'm a big J.Long supporter but I think if our situation was different with our Oline C.Long would make alot of sense. In my opinion I think he'll make a great leader and whether he makes probowls or not I'm sure he'll be in the conversation each year.
But J.Long is a awesome LT prospect and we happen to have his reservation waiting for him. We'll be a better team with either Long in our line up.
But J.Long is a awesome LT prospect and we happen to have his reservation waiting for him. We'll be a better team with either Long in our line up.
I have to be fair to C.Long.. Great motors are a good thing... Remember it was M.Roths one invincible..., M.Roth is a tweener like player as well because he is too small for NT but not athletic and long enough for DE... Still a good guy to have on one's team but..., J.Long gets it done game and game out and that one cannot ignore at no.1...
Breed
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Going over the linebackers I could find since 2002, here's how their combines compared to Long's. I've added some defensive ends to the list that have played a 3-4 defense in the NFL. All these players were 1st round picks....
40 yard dash
Ernie Simms: 4.50 (231 pounds)
Robert Thomas: 4.51 (229 pounds)
Patrick Willis: 4.51 (242 pounds)
Derrick Johnson: 4.52 (242 pounds)
Jonathan Vilma: 4.54 (233 pounds)
D.J. Williams: 4.54 (250 pounds)
Napoleon Harris: 4.55 (253 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 4.56 (251 pounds)
A.J. Hawk: 4.59 (248 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 4.61 (248 pounds)
Shawne Merriman: 4.64 (272 pounds)*Pro Day
Bobby Carpenter: 4.65 (256 pounds)*Pro Day
Terrell Suggs: 4.65 (257 pounds)
Lawrence Timmons: 4.66 (234 pounds)
Nick Barnett: 4.67 (236 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 4.70 (261 pounds)
Jon Beason: 4.72 (237 pounds)
Chris Long: 4.75 (272 pounds)
David Pollack: 4.75 (265 pounds)
Chad Greenway: 4.76 (242 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 4.79 (269 pounds)
20 yard dash
Robert Thomas: 2.58 (229 pounds)
Patrick Willis: 2.62 (242 pounds)
Ernie Simms: 2.64 (231 pounds)
Napoleon Harris: 2.64 (253 pounds)
Derrick Johnson: 2.66 (242 pounds)
Lawrence Timmons: 2.68 (234 pounds)
Chris Long: 2.70 (272 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 2.71 (251 pounds)
David Pollack: 2.71 (265 pounds)
A.J. Hawk: 2.72 (248 pounds)
Jon Beason: 2.74 (237 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 2.74 (248 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 2.74 (261 pounds)
Nick Barnett: 2.75 (236 pounds)
Chad Greenway: 2.75 (242 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 2.86 (269 pounds)
Terrell Suggs: NA
Jonathan Vilma: NA
D.J. Williams: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Bobby Carpenter: NA
10 yard dash
Lawrence Timmons: 1.50 (234 pounds)
Patrick Willis: 1.53 (242 pounds)
Chris Long: 1.53 (272 pounds)
Ernie Simms: 1.54 (231 pounds)
A.J. Hawk: 1.56 (248 pounds)
Robert Thomas: 1.57 (229 pounds)
Jon Beason: 1.60 (237 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 1.60 (248 pounds)
Napoleon Harris: 1.60 (253 pounds)
Derrick Johnson: 1.61 (242 pounds)
Chad Greenway: 1.61 (242 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 1.62 (251 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 1.64 (261 pounds)
Nick Barnett: 1.65 (236 pounds)
David Pollack: 1.67 (265 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 1.74 (269 pounds)
Terrell Suggs: NA
Jonathan Vilma: NA
D.J. Williams: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Bobby Carpenter: NA
20 yard shuttle
Derrick Johnson: 3.93 (242 pounds)
David Pollack: 3.94 (265 pounds)
A.J. Hawk: 3.96 (248 pounds)
D.J. Williams: 4.05 (250 pounds)*Pro Day
DeMarcus Ware: 4.07 (251 pounds)
Nick Barnett: 4.08 (236 pounds)
Robert Thomas: 4.10 (229 pounds)
Jonathan Vilma: 4.20 (233 pounds)*Pro Day
Chris Long: 4.21 (272 pounds)
Shawne Merriman: 4.21 (272 pounds)*Pro Day
Chad Greenway: 4.22 (242 pounds)
Ernie Simms: 4.23 (231 pounds)
Bobby Carpenter: 4.31 (256 pounds)*Pro Day
Lawrence Timmons: 4.32 (234 pounds)
Antony Spencer: 4.43 (261 pounds)
Napoleon Harris: 4.44 (253 pounds)
Patrick Wills: 4.46 (242 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 4.48 (248 pounds)
Calvin Pace: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Jon Beason: NA
3 cone drill
Jonathan Vilma: 6.67 (233 pounds)*Pro Day
A.J. Hawk: 6.82 (248 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 6.85 (251 pounds)
David Pollack: 6.87 (265 pounds)
Bobby Carpenter: 6.88 (256 pounds)*Pro Day
Lawrence Timmons: 6.92 (234 pounds)
Kameron Wimbley: 6.98 (248 pounds)
Nick Barnett: 7.00 (236 pounds)
D.J. Williams: 7.00 (250 pounds)*Pro Day
Chad Greenway: 7.01 (242 pounds)
Chris Long: 7.02 (272 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 7.14 (261 pounds)
Napoleon Harris: 7.15 (253 pounds)
Robert Thomas: 7.21 (229 pounds)
Derrick Johnson: 7.21 (242 pounds)
Patrick Willis: 7.23 (242 pounds)
Ernie Simms: 7.32 (231 pounds)
Calvin Pace: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Jon Beason: NA
This is how Chris Long stands up to the defensive ends drafted in the first round since 2002:
40 time
Bryan Thomas: 4.47 (266 pounds)
Dwight Freeney: 4.48 (266 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 4.56 (251 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 4.61 (248 pounds)
Gaines Adams: 4.64 (258 pounds)
Jason Babin: 4.64 (258 pounds)
Shawne Merriman: 4.64 (272 pounds)*Pro Day
Terrell Suggs: 4.65 (257 pounds)
Jerome McDougle: 4.67 (264 pounds)
Charles Grant: 4.69 (282 pounds)
Jarvis Moss: 4.70 (250 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 4.70 (261 pounds)
Mathias Kiwanuka: 4.70 (266 pounds)
Will Smith: 4.70 (267 pounds)
Mario Williams: 4.70 (295 pounds)
Julius Peppers: 4.74 (283 pounds)
Chris Long: 4.75 (272 pounds)
David Pollack: 4.75 (265 pounds)
Jamaal Anderson: 4.75 (288 pounds)*Pro Day
Kenechi Udeze: 4.77 (281 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 4.79 (269 pounds)
Michael Haynes: 4.87 (281 pounds)
Tamba Hali: 4.87 (275 pounds)*Pro Day
Adam Carriker: 4.90 (296 pounds)
Marcus Spears: 5.05 (307 pounds)*Pro Day
20 yard dash
Bryan Thomas: 2.61 (266 pounds)
Jarvis Moss: 2.68 (250 pounds)
Chris Long: 2.70 (272 pounds)
Gaines Adams: 2.71 (258 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 2.71 (251 pounds)
David Pollack: 2.71 (265 pounds)
Jamaal Anderson: 2.73 (288 pounds)
Kamerion Wimbley: 2.74 (248 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 2.74 (261 pounds)
Jerome McDougle: 2.76 (264 pounds)
Jason Babin: 2.77 (258 pounds)
Mathias Kiwanuka: 2.77 (266 pounds)
Mario Williams: 2.77 (295 pounds)
Adam Carriker: 2.81 (296 pounds)
Michael Haynes: 2.82 (281 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 2.86 (269 pounds)
Dwight Freeney: NA
Charles Grant: NA
Julius Peppers: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Will Smith: NA
Kenechi Udeze: NA
Marcus Spears: NA
Tamba Hali: NA
10 yard dash
Chris Long: 1.53 (272 pounds)
Gaines Adams: 1.58 (258 pounds)
Jarvis Moss: 1.59 (250 pounds)
Jamaal Anderson: 1.59 (288 pounds)*Pro Day
Kamerion Wimbley: 1.60 (248 pounds)
Bryan Thomas: 1.60 (266 pounds)
Mario Williams: 1.60 (295 pounds)
Adam Carriker: 1.60 (296 pounds)
Jason Babin: 1.61 (258 pounds)
Jerome McDougle: 1.61 (264 pounds)
Michael Haynes: 1.61 (281 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 1.62 (251 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 1.64 (261 pounds)
Mathias Kiwanuka: 1.66 (266 pounds)
David Pollack: 1.67 (265 pounds)
Calvin Pace: 1.74 (269 pounds)
Dwight Freeney: NA
Charles Grant: NA
Julius Peppers: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Will Smith: NA
Kenechi Udeze: NA
Marcus Spears: NA
Tamba Hali: NA
20 yard shuttle
David Pollack: 3.94 (265 pounds)
DeMarcus Ware: 4.07 (251 pounds)
Mathias Kiwanuka: 4.15 (266 pounds)
Adam Carriker: 4.18 (296 pounds)
Jason Babin: 4.21 (258 pounds)
Chris Long: 4.21 (272 pounds)
Shawne Merriman: 4.21 (272 pounds)*Pro Day
Jamaal Anderson: 4.22 (288 pounds)*Pro Day
Tamba Hali: 4.31 (275 pounds)
Gaines Adams: 4.36 (258 pounds)
Mario Williams: 4.37 (295 pounds)
Charles Grant: 4.39 (282 pounds)
Jarvis Moss: 4.41 (250 pounds)*Pro Day
Antony Spencer: 4.43 (261 pounds)
Marcus Spears: 4.44 (307 pounds)*Pro Day
Kamerion Wimbley: 4.48 (248 pounds)
Jerome McDougle: 4.58 (264 pounds)
Dwight Freeney: NA
Bryan Thomas: NA
Julius Peppers: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Calvin Pace: NA
Michael Haynes: NA
Will Smith: NA
Kenechi Udeze: NA
3 cone drill
DeMarcus Ware: 6.85 (251 pounds)
David Pollack: 6.87 (265 pounds)
Jamaal Anderson: 6.88 (288 pounds)*Pro Day
Kameron Wimbley: 6.98 (248 pounds)
Chris Long: 7.02 (272 pounds)
Jason Babin: 7.06 (258 pounds)
Adam Carriker: 7.06 (296 pounds)
Anthony Spencer: 7.14 (261 pounds)
Gaines Adams: 7.17 (258 pounds)
Jarvis Moss: 7.21 (250 pounds)*Pro Day
Mario Williams: 7.21 (295 pounds)
Marcus Spears: 7.21 (307 pounds)*Pro Day
Jerome McDougle: 7.28 (264 pounds)
Tamba Hali: 7.28 (275 pounds)*Pro Day
Mathias Kiwanuka: 7.29 (266 pounds)
Will Smith: 7.42 (267 pounds)
Charles Grant: 7.69 (282 pounds)
Dwight Freeney: NA
Bryan Thomas: NA
Julius Peppers: NA
Terrell Suggs: NA
Shawne Merriman: NA
Calvin Pace: NA
Michael Haynes: NA
Kenechi Udeze: NA
Averaging out the drills by time and weight:
40 yard dash
Average LB listed: 4.63 (248 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Average DE listed: 4.71 (271 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Chris Long: 4.75 (272 pounds)
Matt Roth: 4.81 (278 pounds)
20 yard dash
Average LB listed: 2.70 (246 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Chris Long: 2.70 (272 pounds)
Average DE listed: 2.75 (268 pounds)* Pro Day results included
Matt Roth: 2.79 (278 pounds)
10 yard dash
Chris Long: 1.53 (272 pounds)
Average LB listed: 1.60 (246 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Average DE listed: 1.62 (268 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Matt Roth: 1.68 (278 pounds)
20 yard shuttle
Average LB listed: 4.20 (247 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Chris Long: 4.21 (272 pounds)
Average DE listed: 4.30 (271 pounds)*Pro Day results included
Matt Roth: 4.36 (278 pounds)
3 cone drill
Average LB listed: 7.02 (245 pounds)*Pro Day results
Chris Long: 7.02 (272 pounds)
Average DE listed: 7.16 (271 pounds)*Pro Day results
Matt Roth: 7.65 (278 pounds)
The lesser the time, the more value a tenth of a second has. 1/10 is 10%, 1/20 is 5%, the 1 is still the same, but it's value diminishes as the denominator increases. The 10 and 20 yard dashes are prime examples, because they're such small numbers to begin with. A .06 second of a difference in the 20 yard dash is probably the equivalent to .10 of a second in the 40 yard dash. A .04 second of a difference in the 10 yard dash is the equivalent to atleast a .10 of a second in the 40 yard dash etc.
After pouring through all the data, I'm not sure how any competent person can claim that Chris Long is a "tweener", or that he isn't that athletic enough to play OLB, let alone DE. Comparing Chris Long's athleticism to that of Roth's, is probably the biggest insult, and it couldn't be farther from the truth.
Great work on the numbers... but what is missing that he is... is a tweener that's it... Great motor so does M. Roth... That's just an observation...
This has nothing to do with tackiling, abilty to locate the ball... deflect passes or knock down or hold up TEs off the line of scrimmage...
Chris may..., may be great at all those ythings... Time will tell... I guess this is a new position OLB... Will you concede mr.competent...
Examine the player and ask the fair question where is he going to play...
Do we simply overlook the fact that he felt compelled to work out without a T shirt on..., why...? Perhaps he knows he is a tweener....
Please don't put words in my mouth I never said he wasn't athletic..., he most certainly is and worthy of a top pick... J.Long is most logical is all...
the others I listed are about as worthy in this day and age you pick your poison... and you should be accountable...
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Your right, he did have a good year this year. If you look at his last 3 years however, he had something like 50 QB hurries and something like 100 tackles. Not exactly bad considering he was playing the 3-4 end which typically dont get to the QB.
It really depends who one is stacked up against during those games... J.Long did day in and day out against top flight schools...
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Wow great info... what he showed on tape with that great burst is verified in those stats. For his size it's amazing, I still hope we end up with him.
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oregon, appalachain state, notre dame, northwestern, eastern michigan, illinois, and minnesota all have great pass rushers?
Seriously, is the game so simple for you...?
One great year backed up by..., my dad is stud...
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the one-year wonder thing is a cause for concern
that is probably why he isnt #1
that is probably why he isnt #1
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Ok he played Ohio State and they have and NFL worthy pass rush on his side. How did he do?