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Why did we switch from 4-3 to 3-4 Def?

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Was there a benefit? I thought we got more sacks when we were 4-3. Is it better pass rush? Can the experts chime in please?
 
Well in theory it should with the players we have. It defiantly helped Porter last year. The Roth injury has really hurt it's effectiveness.
 
Well, I am not expert but the 3-4 is the MO Parcells. He likes to have more athletic LBs and disguise the blitz giving the advantage to the defense because the offense does not know who is coming. The 3-4 is great if you have the right personnel for it, but if you don't your in trouble.

I personally like the 4-3 better because you can get away with less specialized talent and most of the time can put pressure on the QB without having to blitz, but if you run a defense like Philly which utilizes zone blitzing you still can disguise where the blitz is coming.

They both have pros and cons, but I like the 4-3 better, because the talent can be less specialized.
 
Because New England used the 3-4 and went to a couple of Super Bowls so everyone is starting to copy them.
 
Was there a benefit? I thought we got more sacks when we were 4-3. Is it better pass rush? Can the experts chime in please?

The 3-4 excels at stopping the run with the correct players. That allows the defense to force the opposing offense to become one dimensional. The offense will only use the run sporadically. Once the offense is one dimensional, you can ramp up the QB pressure and strangle the offense.

We do not have all of the pieces to excel at this defense. Our DE are in place for the next 5 years with Merling and Langford. We have a stopgap at NT unless Solai becomes the man. He just might get there, but it is not a sure thing. We do not have the physical corners to support an aggressive QB pressure stance. Sean Smith might be there by mid-season, but Will Allen is not an in your face corner. I could go on and on, but the main point is we are rebuilding this defense.

Our defense is succeeding in stopping the run. Do not lose sight of the fact that our 2006 defense could not stop anybody in the running game. The 3-4 is the best defense for our team, but we are definitely going to have growing pains. The only true disappointment was the overreaction to Sean Smith getting beat early during the game in Atlanta. I am sure that failure caused the Tampa 2 defense during the Colts game. I believe that was a huge mistake. Let the rookie play on an island. He must be able to do that for the 3-4 to work properly. Trust him!!
 
Well, I am not expert but the 3-4 is the MO Parcells. He likes to have more athletic LBs and disguise the blitz giving the advantage to the defense because the offense does not know who is coming. The 3-4 is great if you have the right personnel for it, but if you don't your in trouble.

I personally like the 4-3 better because you can get away with less specialized talent and most of the time can put pressure on the QB without having to blitz, but if you run a defense like Philly which utilizes zone blitzing you still can disguise where the blitz is coming.

They both have pros and cons, but I like the 4-3 better, because the talent can be less specialized.
The only problem is that we don't disguise our blitzes.
 
Was there a benefit? I thought we got more sacks when we were 4-3. Is it better pass rush? Can the experts chime in please?

IMO the main reason why we havent found success with it is because we have a DC who doesnt know how to use it.. Saban (not to bring us this ***) used it and had great success with it. Simplisctically, In a 3-4 you are supposed to be able to hide your blizters much better. They could come from 4 positions on the field as opposed to 3 in a 4-3.
 
We were bored?

Another reason is suppose to be special teams. You have extra linebackers over defensive lineman. Since our special teams are sucking right now that part is not working either.

The way to beat a 3-4? Run between the tackles, the 3-4 gives up weight vs the 4-3.

Run straight at them like I hope we do against the Chargers.

As more teams run a 3-4 it will get harder and hard to find the players needed for it. I'd rather run a 4-3 and have the extra DL to rotate in and out like the Giants do.
 
6/9 last superbowls winners and $$$...DL cost a lot more per player than LB per player...think DL is #2 behind QB's.
 
Miami really doesnt have all the pieces in place yet to be a 3-4 team. Massive NT and two 300 plus DE's are just to start. Then you need the LB's for it. Thats were Miami is having issues. Joey is good and Roth was OK holding the edge. The killer inside is the two ILB's. Just not that good.For a good number of years the 4-3 was run by most teams. The few who ran the 3-4 could take the few real NT's that come out of collage each year. Now that most teams run the 3-4 those NT's are harder and harder to find. When the few teams remaining that run the 4-3 start winning superbowls then we will see the 4-3 come back around. I think its much easier for teams to find good players for the 4-3.
 
Dudes go way back to Miami in the glory days -- the 3/4 in the NFL is FROM the brilliant mind of Bill Arnsparger -- originally called the "53 Defense" for Bob Matheson.
 
Dudes go way back to Miami in the glory days -- the 3/4 in the NFL is FROM the brilliant mind of Bill Arnsparger -- originally called the "53 Defense" for Bob Matheson.

No, we used a 4 - 3 defense in our Super Bowl years. The "53 Defense", was called because of Bob Matheson. He would come in on third downs and change places with different people depending on the situation.
 
No, we used a 4 - 3 defense in our Super Bowl years. The "53 Defense", was called because of Bob Matheson. He would come in on third downs and change places with different people depending on the situation.[/QUOTE\

Hello. The point is WE STARTED the "3-4" in the NFL and it became a our base defense....
 
Hello. The point is WE STARTED the "3-4" in the NFL and it became a our base defense....

"The first man to bring the 3-4 to the pros and use it as his team’s base defense was Chuck Fairbanks, who first used it in 1974, during his second season as head coach of the Patriots. He brought the scheme with him from college, as he had used it as head coach of Oklahoma."

"In 1974, in his second season as head coach of the New England Patriots, he used the 3-4 on nearly every down."

http://www.brownsgab.com/2009/06/26/history-of-the-3-4-defense/

The Dolphins didn't start the 3-4 in any pre-meditated fashion. They had injuries to the d-line and Matheson was the only guy with size who could fill in.. He had a lot of problems with his hand in the dirt, so they had to have him stand up....

They had no other choice with the injuries.

The Dolphins didn't go into the season and say-- "Hey, we are going to get this 3-4 scheme on the field, and it will shock everyone".. Far from it. That did not happen at all.
 
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