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Why Do Some Phans Defend Tua & Not Other Drafted Players?

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I do understand that we all really want him to succeed and go overboard some in the continued hope that he will. That's being a Phan.

However, throwing other drafted players under a bus before 3 years, in my view, in not being a Phan. If you want to judge picks early, Tua should be included. If no, other players should be treated the same. This is a team.

Thoughts?
 
With myself and probably many of us, we've seen the ability and football accumen watching him so far and believe he is and will be very good or excellent. He has been majorly handicapped until now yet still was able to hang in there and show he is a good player.

He's already shown on the field he belongs, and I believe he's gonna blow up this year.
 
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High draft picks will always be scrutinized, it simply comes with the territory. That said, picks like Phillips, Holland, Waddle and even Tua get high marks because they’ve contributed to the team’s success. Other high picks i.e. Jackson and Iggy haven’t had productive early careers. Play well, accolades follow, play poorly or don’t play all, the criticisms will come.
 
As @FSUDoles just said and @VBCheeseGrater also said about Tua it is different for each player.

Watching Tua have almost no time to throw and receivers who can't get open was no fault of his. The way he and Waddle connected last year shows how good he can be and with more time and better options even the media is getting on board.

Ajax- well he was coming out raw and young I believe and had no insulation on the line so he is an exception like Tua as well in most ways other than watching him completely miss assignments and fall on his back. One could then argue that Tua throws a few ????? INT's

Iggy- It is just fair.....bad player who has been out played by many undrafted players etc.

For all 3, this is a make or break year to some degree, unless circumstances/ injuries happen and the rosy picture we are seeing breaks.

My final thought will be that even if they win 13 games this year, there will still be negative posts about certain players because....WHY NOT? They just will not come from me.
 
Almost any other position can be judged in isolation. It’s easy to see Iggy getting burned and know that it’s his fault, for example. With a QB, however, having a horrible line, no running game and only one WR who can get separation, are totally valid excuses for giving Tua more time to be evaluated.
 
VBCheeseGrater said:
ou tell a little kid who asks "Why do fans hate my daddyWith myself and probably many of us, we've seen the ability and football accumen watching him so far and believe he is and will be very good or excellent. He has been majorly handicapped until now yet still was able to hang in there and show he is a good player.

He's already shown on the field he belongs, and I believe he's gonna blow up this year.
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That's great and I applaud it. However it should go for other players as well. WE WERE TOLD by the ram Jackson and Noah were very young and will take time.
We were also told Tua was healthy not only one year bur tua. Ignore them all?

IF you were in Miami and at Phins functions like picking season's tix, draft party, charity event, etc, You get to meet some players, coaches and families.
What do you tell a small child who asks "Why do fans hate my daddy?" Everyone knows kids read and rip players kids from what is said. Anyone care?
 
csonka58 said:
In south Florida forever. Just never hard that phrase before.
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I got an 82 year old Phinatic with me to watch today's game, He says Phins and Phans have been around for 50 years. End of story. :-) :)
 
I don’t really think I’m defending Tua as much as educating people who don’t know how to evaluate QBs or form their opinions from social media hot takes.

I don’t defend Tua.

I brag.
 
When a team drafts a player in rounds 1-3, it is expected for those players to have an immediate impact upon the football team. This holds true not only for our fins but for every NFL team. When a player does not immediately have an impact when drafted one of those slots, they come under scrutiny unless they were injured.

I have had my doubts upon Tua over the past two years and voiced them. What I am seeing so far this year is a player who has progressed physically and emotionally in his position. There are signs of improvement from one year to the next.

Iggy - drafted in round one, we have higher expectations than if he was drafted in the 4th round. Have we seen signs of improvement over the past two years? I would say no. Do you want him to start? I would also say no again. Does he add value to special teams such as being able to return punts or kicksoffs? and Do you think he would be cut if he was not such a high draft pick? I would say the team needs to sever the cord if he does not add value by the end of this season and focus on developing another person.
 
Libermaniac said:
Almost any other position can be judged in isolation. It’s easy to see Iggy getting burned and know that it’s his fault, for example. With a QB, however, having a horrible line, no running game and only one WR who can get separation, are totally valid excuses for giving Tua more time to be evaluated.
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I am a glutton for punishment and have watched the Miami OL on film for over 10 years. Jackson played pretty well as a rookie, which many agree with me on. He had a real OC in Gailey and a vet Flowers next to him. Next year, we all know. Any consideration? None

Noah had problems with Flo and positions changes. Anyone care? No

Tua? Injury 1 and 2, coaches, OL, run, WR anything else left? You get my drit. Good for one Phin, Good for all. JMP
 
So Be said:
I do understand that we all really want him to succeed and go overboard some in the continued hope that he will. That's being a Phan.

However, throwing other drafted players under a bus before 3 years, in my view, in not being a Phan. If you want to judge picks early, Tua should be included. If no, other players should be treated the same. This is a team.

Thoughts?
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It is really simple actually, no other position compares to a QB.
1. QBs always take longer to develop in general.
2. Tua should have never played year 1 coming of the injury.
3. Miami's OL and O coaching have brutally bad both years.
4. Tua was a sure first #1 overall pick before the injury. IE he has huge upside.

Anyway just for fun we can disregard a QB taking longer to develop. Who is throw under the bus, I guess you are referring to Iggy and AJ, as they where drafted same year in the 1st as Tua.

Ok lest compare Iggy vs Tua. Despite Tua coming of a massive injury, he has started and shown to at least already be a mid level starter. Iggy well he has been on the PS more then on the actual team. So ya no comparison what so ever. Also D coaching has been 10x better the the O coaching.

Tua vs AJ. Both have started Tua has again been a mid level starter. AJ was almost dead last in the NFL as a starter last season. So again Tua has shown more coming off a massive injury. I actually haven't given up hope on AJ for the OL coaching was a **** show last year.

So bottom line is QBs take longer to develop and Tua has actually show a lot more in NFL games then the other 2 1st round picks in the same year. Pretty simple really.
 
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