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Why Don Shula said Bill Belichick was a Cheator!

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I think we have all forgotten what all the Patriots did they all must have known! so here is a refresher on their cheating!

[h=1]Timeline of events and disclosures during Spygate sagA:
[/h]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3392047

Sept. 9, 2007: NFL security officials confiscate a camera and videotape from 26-year-old Patriots' video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals during New England's 38-14 victory in the season-opening game at Giants Stadium...

Sept. 11, 2007: League sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the Patriots violated league rules when they videotaped the Jets' defensive signals, and is considering severe sanctions in light of his earlier stern warnings to all teams about competitive violations...

[Consistent Pattern of cheating]:

… Reports surface that the Patriots had been caught videotaping once before. In November 2006 during a game in Green Bay, the Packers caught Estrella shooting unauthorized video and told him to stop...

Sept. 12, 2007: The New York Daily News quotes an anonymous source who says Jets coach Eric Mangini was aware of New England's surveillance methods from his earlier tenure as a Patriots assistant coach. …

Sept. 13, 2007: Goodell issues an "emergency" order mandating that New England must turn over all videotape and sign-stealing material in violation of league policy. At the same time, before receiving the requested tapes and materials, Goodell fines Belichick the NFL maximum of $500,000, and the Patriots are ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals. In addition, Goodell orders the team to give up its first-round draft choice in 2008 if it reaches the playoffs this season, or its second- and third-round picks if it misses the postseason...

[Most damning and frequently forgotten in the spygate scandal]:

Sept. 14, 2007: On ESPN Radio's Mike & Mike show, Mortensen reports the league might not close the book on the controversy and might continue to "review" it. Mortensen suggests that the videotaping of the Sept. 9 game against the Jets could be the tip of the iceberg, and that the Patriots' practices could include jamming the radio frequency in opponents' head-sets, and miking the Pats' defensive linemen to hear the offense's audibles and the cadence between the center and the quarterback. … Mortensen also reports that Belichick has privately told Goodell he has been taping opponents' signals since he became the Pats' head coach in 2000.

[Can you say clueless owner he is as dumb as he looks that's why Bill Bilicheck ignores him]:

Sept. 16, 2007: In an NBC television interview at halftime of New England's Sunday night game against the San Diego Chargers, Kraft says he didn't know his team was using a sideline camera in the game against the Jets.

Sept. 17, 2007: In an Associated Press report, Belichick says he will comply with league request to turn over notes and videotapes but refuses to confirm that there is additional video, saying it is a league issue. Within the next three days, New England turns over materials.

[This made the matter worse this will never die]!

Sept. 22, 2007: The AP reports that the NFL has received and destroyed all materials it requested from the New England Patriots concerning videotaping of opponents' sidelines, but discloses nothing about the contents.

[Rodger Godell ignores the Senate - Where there is smoke there is a cover-up!]

Nov. 15, 2007: Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., writes to Goodell, expressing concern about the league's destruction of tapes.


Dec. 19, 2007: After more than a month without a response, Specter writes to Goodell again.

Feb. 1, 2008: At his annual Super Bowl news conference, Goodell says the evidence from the Patriots destroyed by the league consisted of six tapes from the 2006 season and 2007 preseason. Asked twice how far back the Patriots began to tape their opponents' signals, Goodell doesn't give a specific answer. There is no mention from Goodell that the practice dated back to 2000...

{Patriots stole a Superbowl]

Feb. 2, 2008: The Boston Herald reports that an unnamed source has claimed a Patriots employee secretly videotaped the St. Louis Rams' walk-through the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. The Herald story doesn't name the employee.

[Evidence of the cover up]

Feb. 6, 2008: At the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, Goodell acknowledges that the league had heard about the alleged Super Bowl walk-through taping. "We were aware of this before," Goodell says.

Feb. 13, 2008: During a 1-hour, 40-minute meeting with Goodell, Specter says the commissioner told him Belichick had been taping the sidelines since 2000. "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter says.

April 23, 2008: Walsh and the NFL reach an agreement for Walsh to meet with league officials and turn over any videotapes he might have to support his allegations. In a release announcing the agreement, the NFL wrote that Goodell had determined "the Patriots had violated league rules by videotaping opposing coaches' defensive signals'' throughout Belichick's tenure as head coach.


[-New Allegations]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Harbaugh calls Patriots’ four-lineman shell game unprecedented



During Saturday’s thrilling, up-and-down, back-and-forth win over the Ravens, the Patriots created plenty of confusion on a key second-half drive by using four offensive lineman and playing hide-and-seek with one of the eligible receivers who would be ineligible in any given play.


The strategy worked — and it sufficiently upset coach John Harbaugh to result in an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. After the game, Harbaugh elaborated on the source of sideline consternation not seen from him since the night that the lights went out in New Orleans.


t’s a substitution type of a trick type of a thing,” Harbaugh told reporters after the game. “So they don’t give you the opportunity, they don’t give you the chance to make the proper substitutions and things like that. It’s not something that anybody’s ever done before. The league will look at that type of thing and I’m sure that they’ll make some adjustments and things like that.”
Harbaugh said he simply hoped to have a chance to try to make a substitution based on who the eligible receivers would be.


“[W]e wanted an opportunity to be able to ID who the eligible players were, because what they were doing was they would announce the eligible player and then time was taken and they would go over and snap the ball before we even had the chance to figure out who was lined up where, and that was the deception part of it,” Harbaugh said. “And that was where it was clearly deception. So the officials told me after that they’d give us the opportunity to do that, which they probably should have done during that series but they didn’t really understand what was happening.”


Harbaugh explained that he deliberately provoked the flag.


“That’s why I had to go and take the penalty, to get their attention so that they would understand what was going on because they didn’t understand what was going on,” Harbaugh said. “And they said that that was the right thing, that they’d give us the chance to ID the eligible receivers so we could actually get them covered. That’s why guys were open, because we didn’t ID where the eligible receivers were at. So, that’s the nature of that particular thing they were doing, that’s what made it so difficult.”


It was an unprecedented tactic, in Harbaugh’s opinion. Asked whether he considers it to be cheap or dirty, Harbaugh stopped short.


“I’m not going to comment on that,” he said.



[h=1]Author Bryan O’Leary Talks Spygate: The Patriots Scandal[/h]http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/08/08/author-bryan-oleary-talks-spygate-the-patriots-scandal/
 
Good read...Why the Fans (Us) allow the Pats & the NFL to bamboozle us without recourse is beyond me.
Good for Harbaugh...at least he called them out on it in real time.
 
Not sure what the Harbaugh issue has to do with why Shula called him whatever.

The patriots broke no rule. They have to report to referee what player is eligible or ineligible.
The ref has to tell the defensive captain thats the rule. Are the Pats trying to confuse or exploit , that could be an argument but thats the nature of the game.
A so called unprecedented tactic does not make it an illegal tactic or cheating.
 
I just added it to the thread already going sorry I didn't see it already :3w:
 
Not sure what the Harbaugh issue has to do with why Shula called him whatever.

The patriots broke no rule. They have to report to referee what player is eligible or ineligible.
The ref has to tell the defensive captain thats the rule. Are the Pats trying to confuse or exploit , that could be an argument but thats the nature of the game.
A so called unprecedented tactic does not make it an illegal tactic or cheating.

Sorry I disagree, BB is always looking to skirt the rules.
 
Harbaugh is a sore loser. Had he read the rule book, he would have used it himself.
 

The substitutions were legal. The way in which the Cheatriots went about it was not. First off, the refs must announce the eligible/ineligible statuses to the defense. EX: The refs declare #99 JJ Watt as an eligible receiver before the play and then you will most often hear even the commentators make a public announcement of this as well. Second, rules state that the defense must be given an appropriate amount of time to make a substitution prior to the snap. Neither of these things happened in a manner consistent with the rule book.

DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS
Article 10 If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has
been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the
offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a
defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If, in the judgment of the officials, this occurs, the following procedure will
apply:
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 23 RULE 5, SECTION 2, ARTICLE 5 (a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions.
(b) If a play takes place and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be enforced,
except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At this time, the Referee will
notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Also on the following play, TE Hoomanawanui leaves the field but RB Vereen does not. Since Shane Vereen does not leave the field and none of the other factors listed below occurred, he is then still considered an ineligible receiver.Yet, on the following play he check releases out for a pass route (illegal) which then should have been called a penalty by the refs as an illegal man down field.

Section 3 Changes in Position
REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION
Article 1 An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligible pass receiver (50–79 and 90–99) is permitted to line up in
the position of an eligible pass receiver (1–49 and 80–89), and an offensive player wearing the number of an eligible pass
receiver is permitted to line up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver, provided that he immediately reports the
change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team.
He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to each play he
must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game clock shall not be stopped, and
the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.
RETURNING TO ORIGINAL POSITION
Article 2 A player who has reported a change in his eligibility status to the Referee is permitted to return to a position
indicated by the eligibility status of his number after:
(a) a team time out;
(b) the end of a quarter;
(c) the two-minute warning;
(d) a foul;
(e) a replay challenge;
(f) a touchdown;
(g) a completed kick from scrimmage;
(h) a change of possession; or
(i) if the player has been withdrawn for one legal snap. A player withdrawn for one legal snap may re-enter at a position
indicated by the eligibility status of his number, unless he again reports to the Referee that he is assuming a position
other than that designated by the eligibility status of his number.
 
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“Nobody’s ever seen that before,” the Ravens coach said. “We wanted an opportunity to be able to ID who the eligible players were, because what they were doing was they would announce the eligible player and then time was taken and they would go over and snap the ball before we even had the chance to figure out who was lined up where, and that was the deception part of it. And that was where it was clearly deception.

So because the ravens coaching staff had never seen this legal play and were unprepared to defend it its deception? lmao
Evidently the refs along with the whiner from Baltimore need to study the rule book.
 
“Nobody’s ever seen that before,” the Ravens coach said. “We wanted an opportunity to be able to ID who the eligible players were, because what they were doing was they would announce the eligible player and then time was taken and they would go over and snap the ball before we even had the chance to figure out who was lined up where, and that was the deception part of it. And that was where it was clearly deception.

So because the ravens coaching staff had never seen this legal play and were unprepared to defend it its deception? lmao
Evidently the refs along with the whiner from Baltimore need to study the rule book.

Ref has given their reason and many NFL coaches have chimed in. Deception is part of the game, thats why you have tackles eligible sometimes , fake punts, fake spikes and so on.
Sour grapes and if Harbaugh had taken a timeout instead of a stupid penalty maybe thhings would have been different. Im pretty damn sure if Don Shula had did this we would be saying what a genius he is not he tryed to cheat.
 
It was a dumb comment by Shula. Patriots operated within the rules.

I loved Brady's comment. "They need to study their rulebook. We figured it out. *shurgs*"

We'd love Joe Philbin is he were smart enough to figure something like this out. But, he's not...and the dolts here love him anyway.
 
It was a dumb comment by Shula. Patriots operated within the rules.

I loved Brady's comment. "They need to study their rulebook. We figured it out. *shurgs*"

We'd love Joe Philbin is he were smart enough to figure something like this out. But, he's not...and the dolts here love him anyway.

If the Patriots would have studied the rule book (which I think we can all agree they did) then they also clearly knew that Vereen was not an eligible receiver on the following play, yet he check released into the middle of the field. Just one of many missed calls by the refs in that series of plays.
 
It was a dumb comment by Shula. Patriots operated within the rules.

I loved Brady's comment. "They need to study their rulebook. We figured it out. *shurgs*"

We'd love Joe Philbin is he were smart enough to figure something like this out. But, he's not...and the dolts here love him anyway.

Very true and very sad. To an extent, our current situation mirrors that of 2011, the Dolphins team I will always hate the most, as well as this past Gator season with Muschamp. I don't like heading into football seasons with no optimism.
 
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