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Why fix the team in 2005 when you can start now?

Fine. Let him get released in 2-3 years with nothing team wise to show for it and then we wind up getting nothing in return. Real smart move. NOT
 
Nublar7 said:
I think you are alone in the boat on this one.
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If I am that's a real shame. Yeah let's keep 59 million in tact for a defense that has no chance of even sniffing the playoffs for the next few years.
 
Look guys, what Atlanta is saying isn't far off from the truth. The current stinch in Miami is going to linger for more than just this season. There is no quick fix for the problems that this team is experiencing now.

Look...all those years we enjoyed following this team being competitive and being one step away from winning it all have caught up with us. Picking 18-21st for the last 10 years will catch up with you eventually. It was only a matter of time. Add to that the fiasco with Ricky Williams and it hit hard...very hard.

The organization went out and tried to patch up this team to make it copetitive. Unfortunately there were more holes to be plugged than they had draft picks or money to buy plugs with.

The Offensive line is a wreck....and they need decent running back. In addition to that...depth...on defense. Zach has been saying for years that yes...they have a group of pro-bowlers that start...but after that the talent falls off at D.

Trust me...there is no way this team fixes things this coming offseason with draft picks and free agency. Too much needs to be fixed.

So, whether you like it or not...want to believe it or not...the only way to become competive is to rebuild...Period. Sure, you can enjoy a few more seasons with JT, Zach and the boys...but I hope you enjoy watching them lose.
Reality Sucks!
 
At this point in the season you'd get the lowest in return for the trade you demand. I don't see anyone going anywhere except maybe Feeley to the bench. I feel bad for the sorry position he's been put in but it's nothing a few million shouldn't compensate. But just to save the guy some face Wannstedt should've let Fiedler come in in the 3rd quarter. Right now QB and RB for the Dolphins has to be the 2 most dangerous jobs in the world. Even teams that go through whole regime changes don't have as many new starters on one side of the ball. The 'win now' attitude this organization has had for years and years is finally catching up to them.
 
Dread and DolphanD good points and obviously I agree unlike other people in here. Taylor is a leader and a frachise player???? Of what? A team going nowwhere very fast. Thats the equivalent of the Expos saying they should have kept Vlad Guirrero this offseason and it would have made a difference. They may have 3 more wins now even though he would have made the All Star team!!:roflmao:
 
AtlantaPhin said:
Yeah Preda they are. At least I have some common sense here unlike you. You're right let's keep this defense in tact when we have no chance of doing anything for 2-3 years when we can start building for the future by getting rid of overpaid players who never produced anyway in the clutch . My god what was I thinking?
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boy you do have common sense, let's just trade Zach Thomas while we're at it, he's older than JT...how's that for common sense???
 
AtlantaPhin said:
Trade Jason Taylor to a team that thinks their a pass rusher away from going to the Bowl for a 1st round pick!! You say I'm crazy, why? This team is at least 2-3 years away from doing anything and we need to start building now plus start getting rid of cap space to sign free agents. 2-3 years from now Miami will be asking JT to take a serious pay cut or flat out release him anyway.

While we're at it I'd dump Seau and Madison for as many picks as possible. Junior deserves a chance to go to a winner and I'm thinking it's a forgone conclusion Madison gets released in the offseason for cap reasons so why not get something for all of them now? I just don't understand why football GM's don't take this approach the way baseball GM's do? Let's get some picks and free up some cash for the future!!!
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Football is not baseball. Trading Taylor would rank right up there with giving Wanny a contract extension...NO FREAKING WAY!!!!!!

Clear cap space to sign free agents? If we traded Taylor we would have to overpay for a free agent defensive end because our starters would be Dave Bowens and an ancient Jay Williams.

No one will trade picks for Seau...to old and too high a cap number.

Madison is not going anywhere in the off-season. Releasing him would be a huge cap hit. If anyone in the secondary is walking or getting traded it will be Surtain.
 
Predaphin34 said:
boy you do have common sense, let's just trade Zach Thomas while we're at it, he's older than JT...how's that for common sense???
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If it gets us some good picks and cap relief in 2-3 years I'm all in favor unlike you who wants to settle for mediocrity forever
 
unifiedtheory said:
Football is not baseball. Trading Taylor would rank right up there with giving Wanny a contract extension...NO FREAKING WAY!!!!!!

Clear cap space to sign free agents? If we traded Taylor we would have to overpay for a free agent defensive end because our starters would be Dave Bowens and an ancient Jay Williams.

No one will trade picks for Seau...to old and too high a cap number.

Madison is not going anywhere in the off-season. Releasing him would be a huge cap hit. If anyone in the secondary is walking or getting traded it will be Surtain.
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Dude it was heavily reported this past offseason that Miami was already thinking of releasing Madison. My point was to trade him before he gets released and we get nothing in return. Madison did restructure big time so the cap hit wouldn't be as severe. I think you are a little confused here. Surtain is going nowhere, Madison is as good as gone this next offseason if Poole continues to improve. You can come at me all you want as I encourage good debate but at least have a clue what you're talking about
 
phinphanphrommi said:
Trading people past June 1 accellerates their cap hit for their signing bonus. We'd be in a serious hole next year... that'd make it kinda hard to start building.
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Actually, a trade accelerates all a players uncharged cap money into the current year...doesnt matter if its before or after June 1. Cutting a player outright after June 1 saves cap money in the current year but the remainder comes due the following year. Trading either Madison or Taylor would be impossible this year.
 
AtlantaPhin said:
Dude it was heavily reported this past offseason that Miami was already thinking of releasing Madison. My point was to trade him before he gets released and we get nothing in return. Madison did restructure big time so the cap hit wouldn't be as severe. I think you are a little confused here. Surtain is going nowhere, Madison is as good as gone this next offseason if Poole continues to improve. You can come at me all you want as I encourage good debate but at least have a clue what you're talking about
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Restructuring almost always makes the cap hit for releasing or trading a player MORE severe, not less. Base salary, which doesnt count against the cap if the player is cut or traded, is moved into signing bonus...which IS counted against the cap
 
yankeehillbilly said:
Restructuring almost always makes the cap hit for releasing or trading a player MORE severe, not less. Base salary, which doesnt count against the cap if the player is cut or traded, is moved into signing bonus...which IS counted against the cap
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I'm very aware of that but in lieu of recouping draft picks who would obvioulsy be cheaper than our current high priced roster it would balance itself out in 2-3 years. The point I'm trying to make which I haven't stated is we are already in cap hell with our current team and either we stay that way and make the same mistake Frisco did this year and let players go with nothing in return or we trade them, take the cap hit which we're going to already but at least have some picks to show for it. Furthermore by trading them, we take the bonus hit but not the their salary included next year for the next team, not us.

You would rather have JT stay on this team the next 2-3 years than get a 1st, suck up his restructure this offseason, and possibly a later pick than keep him and get nothing in a year or 2 when Miami let's him go outright?
 
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