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Why Head Coaches(Gase) bring coaches and players from unsuccessful teams? Other coaches do that too

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One thing I noticed and frustrates me is when Head Coaches bring players and other coaching personal whom they have worked with in the past. It frustrates me because those players and coaches who don't pan out are brought over with them "thinking" it be better for the team. Get fresh new blood in the NFL! If coaches don't pan with you or players then why bring them with you? So what they are familiar with your way, If your way isn't working why bring them? The argument can be made for someone such as Bill Bilicheat being not that great (yet) in Cleveland and being let go. But that is once in a lifetime coach, there arent many coaches like BB.

Good Article here about Gase bringing his guys who he worked with in the past as well as players but they werent really that good. Have we not learned out lesson with Julius Thomas? He brings some of the staff guys in Chicago, Chicago sucked! yet we want those guys? Get up and coming talent in the NFL, poach coaches who are young and show promise, build through the draft and select players in FA that still have gas in the tank.


http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204124584.html




"Adam Gase’s guys don’t always play well for him: The Dolphins should know this lesson based on multiple examples from the past couple of seasons.

Gase signed running back Daniel Thomas before 2016 and everyone in South Florida cringed because he had been a Dolphins draft bust before Gase ever coached him. But because Thomas was good for Gase in Chicago’s training camp the year before, Thomas was back in Miami.

Except he wasn’t. He was the same old Daniel Thomas and he was cut at the end of camp.

Julius Thomas was a stud for Gase in Denver, catching 24 touchdown passes in two seasons — which is what got him paid in Jacksonville. Gase believed he could revive the good old days. That failed.

Jay Cutler? Gase turned to Cutler when Ryan Tannehill went down last August.

It could be argued the Dolphins coach didn’t really have a choice because there was no one else available — including the circus surrounding Colin Kaepernick, whom no one wanted — to rescue a really bad situation.

So did Cutler reward Gase’s confidence in him? Did he turn the reunion into a win-win?

No, he played like a guy whom no other team had signed and had already accepted a job as a TV analyst.

(Cutler, 34, also violated the 30-year-old lesson.)

This is not to say every former Gase player comes back to Gase and plays poorly.

Jermon Bushrod got signed in part because he had played for Gase in Chicago in 2015. And he was solid as a right guard in 2016. But, again, the 30-year-old rule. …

The Dolphins expected to move on from 31-year-old Bushrod after 2016. Then guards got really expensive in free agency so the Dolphins went back to the now 32-year-old Bushrod for 2017. And he was diminished from his solid play the year before. And he got hurt.

So the biggest success story of former Gase players returning to Gase in Miami still wasn’t a home run. It was more like a single to right field. All the others?

Strikeouts.

This lesson will be tested when the Denver Broncos release running back C.J. Anderson in the next few days. The Dolphins signed Anderson to a restricted free agent contract in the 2016 offseason. The Broncos kept him by matching the deal.

But he’s expected to become available again.

Adam Gase needs to really check himself on this one."
 
Gase needs to surround himself with “yes men”. It’s sad that the Browns are actually in a better position and will be a contender before us.
 
You beat me to it on this article: not just a lesson for Gase but the entire Dolphins organization, they keep doing the same thing expecting different results. FA is no way to build a team, use the draft even if it takes a little longer and build your team smartly. Paying for older expensive vets year after year is a recipe for disaster as we've all seen.
 
Are we forgetting about the current Super Bowl MVP? Retread Nick Foles, who didnt pan out with multiple teams?

You can't fault a coaching staff for trusting who they know vs trusting someone they have no idea about. They have scouts and talent evaluators, and those guys go out and find the Robert Quinns and the William Hayes, but grumpy fans only want to remember the misses. It's like investing: If you're lucky, a third of what you throw at the wall will stick.
 
Anytime you are hoping to ‘rekindle’ success from more than 1 season (and not due to injury) is really stretching it ..... you can always try the ‘mis cast’ or mismatched In the system excuse, but generally that is not the case.

Yes, even Parcell’s brought in a few ‘system’ or Parcell guys to display the Parcell Way .... but we don’t see that either with Gase ...

Some pretty wise folks still maintain that Gase IS the guy here ... so hopefully he can learn along the way, so he gets the chance to show what folks believe he will bring in the near future!
 
Dolphins81 said:
Gase needs to surround himself with “yes men”. It’s sad that the Browns are actually in a better position and will be a contender before us.
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You realize Cleveland has been the worst team in the league for 20 years right? They should be very good soon only because their cap space and draft picks are a direct result of his pathetic they’ve been.
 
Coaches hire assistants from unsuccessful teams because assistants from successful programs aren’t looking for work. To whatever extent they are, it’s for promotions, and then when that happens people criticize the coach for hiring someone unproven at their position.
 
Well I believe Gase calls a decent game at least on offense but after that he has work to do starting with ego then player personel. First he needs to recognize his playmakers then get them resigned early and get them on the same page. His first season of wins covered some warts that we are seeing now. I was hoping that we would loose enough to get Tbum fired by year 3 now it looks like it will probably take 5 years.
 
If you became a head coach, wouldn’t you hire people that you are familiar with? Easy to criticize from the outside but the reality is that in the nfl and any other business, you would hire people that you know. This is how it works. You’re not going to hire someone that you don’t know. That is crazy.
 
Dolphins81 said:
Gase needs to surround himself with “yes men”. It’s sad that the Browns are actually in a better position and will be a contender before us.
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The GM, cap space, and picks could get them past us. The HC, no.
 
TarHeelFinFan said:
Coaches hire assistants from unsuccessful teams because assistants from successful programs aren’t looking for work. To whatever extent they are, it’s for promotions, and then when that happens people criticize the coach for hiring someone unproven at their position.
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But they were something special between 1946-1955
What do you expect when your top wide receiver's name is "Speedie"?;)
 
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