Why Hickey Nailed J. James pick
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That chart is NOT the real value chart that real GMs use. It is just the only one that has been published. In reality, if you go by that chart, the team trading back will almost always lose. But, in reality and in a deep draft like this, the team getting the extra picks usually wins. The main thing is getting a guy you see on your board as having great value for the pick. And that is what it seems Hickey did in this draft. Getting a guy like Turner early in the third round doesn't seem like much of a value to us novices. But, if he was the second best tackle after James that would fit in our scheme, I'm sure Hickey and Philbin thought he was a GREAT value at that spot for the Dolphins. I will do the same thing I did with Ireland. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on these picks and see how they pan out. If he does as poor of a job as Ireland did, I will be screaming for his job after two or three bad drafts. So far IMHO, This draft looks to be much better as far as filling needs and hitting scheme fitting players. So IMO he did better in one draft than Ireland did in 6. We'll see.
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Projecting is a major part of the draft, without it we wouldn't have taken Tannehill. If you never project and only take safe "plug and play" prospects you will have a below average team at the NFL level.
My memory is that James was a 4 star recruit, not 5. Fives are rare, the supposed ultra elite.
IMO, we needed to swing at a great player, not be obsessed with upgrading a recent weakness. Great players transform a franchise. Patch jobs merely allow spotlight to shift to a different area to patch.
I'm not a believer in system fits. That's just another happy adjustment rationale, doomed to failure. Teams like Seattle found great players deep in the draft. In contemporary perspective those choices are applauded as systems fits. They were excellent players. I've witnessed this for 40+ years. There's always one or two teams ahead of the curve in personnel evaluation. In real time fans and analysts prefer to categorize them as system fits. Decades later they are recognized for what they were..terrific players who simply were undervalued when acquired.
I absolutely would have picked Kouandjio above James because at one point he was considered a Top 10 talent. He was indeed a 5 star recruit. I remember that very well. See link below. That's what I prioritize, early demonstrated supreme talent, not so-called system fits and late risers up the draft boards. Let the subjective goofs devalue a player and have him fall to you.
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1172496
IMO, we needed to swing at a great player, not be obsessed with upgrading a recent weakness. Great players transform a franchise. Patch jobs merely allow spotlight to shift to a different area to patch.
I'm not a believer in system fits. That's just another happy adjustment rationale, doomed to failure. Teams like Seattle found great players deep in the draft. In contemporary perspective those choices are applauded as systems fits. They were excellent players. I've witnessed this for 40+ years. There's always one or two teams ahead of the curve in personnel evaluation. In real time fans and analysts prefer to categorize them as system fits. Decades later they are recognized for what they were..terrific players who simply were undervalued when acquired.
I absolutely would have picked Kouandjio above James because at one point he was considered a Top 10 talent. He was indeed a 5 star recruit. I remember that very well. See link below. That's what I prioritize, early demonstrated supreme talent, not so-called system fits and late risers up the draft boards. Let the subjective goofs devalue a player and have him fall to you.
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1172496
Geez, I thought you'd be a little more appreciative of your new janitorial job.
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They didn't project with Tannehill.... They drafted him to play QB he played QB in college with the exception of his first year I believe. The type of projecting i'm talking about is taking a guy that played on position in college and asking hi to play another position in the NFL.... a lot of teams do it... but when you have glaring holes that you need to fill RIGHT NOW... it's not a good idea to gamble like that.
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Kuonjo had knee problems right? If we drafted him people would be saying why did we draft an injury prone player. And he was available when we picked so i'm going to assume that we had James rated higher than kuonjo. And according to the article below James was a 5 star recruit. I don't know either way but the fact is... he started EVERY GAME at RT in the SEC.... that alone tells you something. Just because Mel Kiper and the other talking heads didn't have him high on their boards doesn't mean anything. And scheme fit should absolutely factor into who you draft. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Seattle found good players deep in the draft because those players fit their system. Sherman was a big physical CB all of their DB's are big and physical. They would not draft or sign a player like Brent Grimes because he does not fit their man to man physical style of play. He's more of a zone coverage DB. Come on man... know your football before you make comments like that.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-who-was-eligible-for-2014-nfl-draft/page/29
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So according to that article we added three 5 star recruits, which includes the undrafted Anthony Johnson who was projected to go in the third and Jarvis Landry who likely slipped due to the 40 time. Uh, isn't that exactly the type of drafting you're clamoring for awsi?
It's a wonder that anyone ever ends up pursuing and marrying what many fellow daters might consider a "7." Surely they'd have been better off single-mindedly devoting their time to courting a "consensus 10" doncha think?
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Either Hickey looks like a genius or an complete idiot when judged by this draft. With this being the offseason and our subpar season being in the rearview, he looks like a genius now. I will neither praise nor trash the picks. If our O line is solid he will at least give Tanney a better chance than last year.
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I agree. I think the logic behind the James pick and many of the others was sound. But the Million dollar question is... will they be good players. if not, Hickey will be labeled Ireland 2.0
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Whats the one need we screamed about at the end of last season? O-line help to protect Tanny. So we got it. It's not sexy, it's adrenaline pumping, but it's what we needed to move forward.
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Time will tell if he "nailed it". Calm yourself
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