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Why is everyone clamoring for a new guy at HC?

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The whole argument for "Let's get a new guy who's hungrier" is absurd. If you look at the successful coaches around the NFL, some of them are in their first stint, some in their second, third, etc. For example, the two teams left in the AFC (and are perennially there) have Dungy and Belichick in their second stint. Then on the NFC side, you have Lovie and Payton both in their first stint, so there's really no advantage either way. It's just luck of the draw. Sometimes experience is better, sometimes having fresh and new ideas is better.

In fact, let's look at all the playoff teams this year.

AFC
NYJ - Mangini - First Stint
KC - Herm - Second Stint
NE - Belichick - Second Stint
IND - Dungy - Second Stint
BAL - Billick - First Stint
SD - Shotty - Fourth? Stint

NFC
NYG - Coughlin - Second Stint
DAL - Parcells - Fourth Stint
SEA - Holmgrem - Second Stint
PHI - Reid - First Stint
NO - Payton - First Stint
CHI - Lovie - First Stint

There's clearly no advantage either way. I bring this up because some of you are willing to shove guys like Martz, Gailey, Mora Jr., etc. under the bus just because they "failed" in their first coaching job. But in reality, their candidacy is just as viable as new guys like Cameron, Rivera, Shula, etc. based on these results.
 
I want a new guy. That is my perference.
 
Not a bad observation there MadDowg. I've been wondering to myself recently about having a young, up & coming guy at coach like a Marvin Lewis or a Lovie Smith or Sean Payton type. Looks like they're pretty successful. Do you think that helps Mike Shula any?
 
I don't care if the guy (or GIRL) is Jim Mora Sr.'s ghost, I just want the coach we have to win.

Remember, Billy Belichick couldn't win in Cleveland
 
LOCAL SCUM! said:
Not a bad observation there MadDowg. I've been wondering to myself recently about having a young, up & coming guy at coach like a Marvin Lewis or a Lovie Smith or Sean Payton type. Looks like they're pretty successful. Do you think that helps Mike Shula any?
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I would say that the perception by the media and fans of wanting a new up-and-coming HC definitely helps guys like Cameron and Rivera. My only concern is be careful what you wish for!
 
Most of the guys with second or third stints that you have listed were successfull in their first stints. Martz was OK in St. Louis but you have to look at his health issues. Mora Jr had some ups and downs in Atlanta but he's already hinted he might want to go back to the college ranks. If you get a first timer type coach he's more likely to throw his whole back into the deal. Its his shot. He will have something to prove. Thats just my thought. And if he's great then he'll always be remembered as a Dolphin Coach. Not a falcon then a dolphin or a ram then a lion then a dolphin...etc.
 
Couldn't care less first, second or 18th stint, just so long as they come in here and WIN! And really also don't care how their previous job went, Bellichick sucked at Cleveland.
 
It looks like Cameron. Personality-wise he doesn't project as a Head Coach type, but who knows maybe he'll grow a bigger pair if he gets the shot.
 
I think Gailey is out of the picture! He's out recruiting today. I guess it's Cameron. I hope it's Cameron. I hope it's not Mora, Mike or David Shula, Shottenheimer, Capers, Saban, Coker, Whisenhunt, Chow, Singletary, Grimm, Rivera, Turner, or Art Shell! :evil:
 
MadDawg020 said:
There's clearly no advantage either way. I bring this up because some of you are willing to shove guys like Martz, Gailey, Mora Jr., etc. under the bus just because they "failed" in their first coaching job. But in reality, their candidacy is just as viable as new guys like Cameron, Rivera, Shula, etc. based on these results.
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It's too simplistic for someone to say that if you fail at your first job you'll fail at your next job. But often times the way that someone fails reveals a lot about themselves to the next team he's hoping to work for.

If something scares a team's brass because of how a given coach failed previously, I think that's a fair reason to skip on to the next candidate--even if the newer candidate hasn't had the opportunity to fail on as grand a stage.

Good thread, nevertheless.
 
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