Why is everyone questioning our Drafts NOW?

[SkapePhin]

Wasnt 2005 one of our best drafts in years? As it stands today, it STILL is! 3 starters vs. Wanny's 1 starter max drafts? Ill take that.

And how can anyone go off on this year's draft already? You cant evaluate a draft in SIX games! You especially cant evaluate it if you have only seen ONE of those players in game action!

You all need to calm down when it comes to Saban's drafts. For all we know, this draft could become a legendary draft.. Sure, it could turn out to be a bust draft, but it still is likely to be better than most of Wanny's drafts.

Sure, its dissapointing Jason Allen isnt playing given our sorry secondary and where he was picked.. And most assume its because Allen is too dumb or something.. Well, have you all considered that it may be a physical issue? Maybe Saban, after getting burned on Culpepper, doesnt want to risk playing Allen now who still might be having issues with his hip? Let him get healthy and learn. And we probably wont be seeing dividends from the rest of the draft class until next year. Rod Wright could prove to be a force for us once he recovers.. Basically, most of our picks are injured. That sucks, but it happens, and maybe Saban should take some responsibility for drafting injured players, but he wants to build a team that will be successful in the future, not just now.

 

[Bill C]

With the talent level of this team - if high picks can't get on the field, then there is a problem. Allen's issue is NOT physical - I wish people would stop using that as an excuse as it is total BS. Has he been on the injury report - ever? No.

Skape - you answered your own question - if we have only seen only one draft pick on the field in 6 games - give nthe level of this team and those positions - that is evaluation enough of this draft.

Saban did not show concern for Culpepper until two weeks ago so let's not do the "Nick is concerned for Allen's safety" dance because I don't buy it.

This draft sucked - plain and simple. This FA session sucked - plain and simple. The play calling and preparation has sucked - plain and simple. Nick looks scarily like Wannstedt right now - confused as to what to do.

How much clearer do you need it to be?

This staff has been trying to be too damn clever when it comes to picking players and plays. Pick the best guy - not a project or question mark, spend some money to get some legitimate NFL talent on this team, and call plays to your strengths and to what the other team is giving you - don't try to outsmart them because with this team, they only end up outsmarting their own players.

Every struggling team will tell you - they improve when the staff makes things simpler lgiving them the ability to react. We are not doing that. Everything is so complex, unnecessarily, that it has slowed our players down to the point that we are at least a step behind in every facet of the game.

 

[Crowder52]

Wasnt 2005 one of our best drafts in years? As it stands today, it STILL is! 3 starters vs. Wanny's 1 starter max drafts? Ill take that.

And how can anyone go off on this year's draft already? You cant evaluate a draft in SIX games! You especially cant evaluate it if you have only seen ONE of those players in game action!

You all need to calm down when it comes to Saban's drafts. For all we know, this draft could become a legendary draft.. Sure, it could turn out to be a bust draft, but it still is likely to be better than most of Wanny's drafts.

Sure, its dissapointing Jason Allen isnt playing given our sorry secondary and where he was picked.. And most assume its because Allen is too dumb or something.. Well, have you all considered that it may be a physical issue? Maybe Saban, after getting burned on Culpepper, doesnt want to risk playing Allen now who still might be having issues with his hip? Let him get healthy and learn. And we probably wont be seeing dividends from the rest of the draft class until next year. Rod Wright could prove to be a force for us once he recovers.. Basically, most of our picks are injured. That sucks, but it happens, and maybe Saban should take some responsibility for drafting injured players, but he wants to build a team that will be successful in the future, not just now.

You mean wait a few years and give the draft picks time to prove themselves before acting like they are complete busts??? Nonsense SkapePhin!!!!

 

[Jimmy James]

Look at Spielman's draft. He got the team Carey, Hadnot, and Pope with six picks and only one on the first day. If not for a knee injury followed by a stress fracture, he'd be at 4/6. More importantly, he moved around in the draft.

I have a feeling that this is really all about not having a second rounder. If this team went with Brees or just didn't get Culpepper and had been able to draft a guy like the center the Vikings took who might have been able to contribute immediately, I don't think you'd hear this talk. Jason Allen is apparently going to take a while, which is fine with me as long as he contributes when he is ready. Hagan is stuck legitimately behind some veterans with skills at his position. Nobody can expect much from second day picks their first year.

 

[SkapePhin]

Look at Spielman's draft. He got the team Carey, Hadnot, and Pope with six picks and only one on the first day. If not for a knee injury followed by a stress fracture, he'd be at 4/6. More importantly, he moved around in the draft.

I have a feeling that this is really all about not having a second rounder. If this team went with Brees or just didn't get Culpepper and had been able to draft a guy like the center the Vikings took who might have been able to contribute immediately, I don't think you'd hear this talk. Jason Allen is apparently going to take a while, which is fine with me as long as he contributes when he is ready. Hagan is stuck legitimately behind some veterans with skills at his position. Nobody can expect much from second day picks their first year.

Since when is Pope a starter? He barely plays.. And Carey and Hadnot arent even that good, though they are starters.. They are actually PART of the problem here.. Adding to that, Carey cost us TWO picks.

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

carey is easily our best linemen, and he has potential. not saying we didnt get fleeced in the process but he isnt part of the problem

 

[SkapePhin]

carey is easily our best linemen, and he has potential. not saying we didnt get fleeced in the process but he isnt part of the problem

He is serviceable, but hardly an all-pro.. He is a decent lineman on a crappy line.

 

[jdang307]

Yeah don't knock Carey, he's been our best lineman. That's all we can ask for now, blame Spielman for that boneheaded move and then the coaching staff for not coaching him up until Houck got in there.

 

[Jimmy James]

Since when is Pope a starter? He barely plays.. And Carey and Hadnot arent even that good, though they are starters.. They are actually PART of the problem here.. Adding to that, Carey cost us TWO picks.

Pope isn't a starter, but he has stuck and played well when called on. That's not bad for a 7th rounder, is it? I heard relatively few complaints about Hadnot the RG, and he has seemed to handle the move to C acceptably well. That's pretty good for a 6th rounder in my book. Carey is the best thing we have going on this line. Carey did cost a whole extra 4th round pick that I didn't like giving up, but it's still a pretty damned good draft overall if you ask me.

 

[phinphanforever]

With the talent level of this team - if high picks can't get on the field, then there is a problem. Allen's issue is NOT physical - I wish people would stop using that as an excuse as it is total BS. Has he been on the injury report - ever? No.

Skape - you answered your own question - if we have only seen only one draft pick on the field in 6 games - give nthe level of this team and those positions - that is evaluation enough of this draft.

Saban did not show concern for Culpepper until two weeks ago so let's not do the "Nick is concerned for Allen's safety" dance because I don't buy it.

This draft sucked - plain and simple. This FA session sucked - plain and simple. The play calling and preparation has sucked - plain and simple. Nick looks scarily like Wannstedt right now - confused as to what to do.

How much clearer do you need it to be?

This staff has been trying to be too damn clever when it comes to picking players and plays. Pick the best guy - not a project or question mark, spend some money to get some legitimate NFL talent on this team, and call plays to your strengths and to what the other team is giving you - don't try to outsmart them because with this team, they only end up outsmarting their own players.

Every struggling team will tell you - they improve when the staff makes things simpler lgiving them the ability to react. We are not doing that. Everything is so complex, unnecessarily, that it has slowed our players down to the point that we are at least a step behind in every facet of the game.

You seem to be disagrreing with yourself. On the one hand, you are suggesting we are losing because of lack of talent. Then you argue that we are losing because the scheme is to complicated. I think the latter point is closer to the truth.
The scheme is complicated, yes, but the players are having difficulty with rythm, both on offense and defense. On the offensive side, I think the play calling has hindered their rhythm whereas defensively the plays have been fine, but there has been too many breakdowns.
Talent wise, I think this team is fine- Superbowl ready? No way, but they were talented enough to make the playoffs.
As far as the draft is concerned, I totally agree with the poster who suggested -and to whom you responded-that it is way to early to evaluate this draft class. We had more starters last year from the draft because we were not a talented team. I'm not ready to make any evaluation of Allen yet, since we still haven't seen him play yet, but I trust that Saban and the coaching staff are keeping him out for good reasons- and I don't think talent is the reason.

 

[Bill C]

You seem to be disagrreing with yourself. On the one hand, you are suggesting we are losing because of lack of talent. Then you argue that we are losing because the scheme is to complicated. I think the latter point is closer to the truth.
The scheme is complicated, yes, but the players are having difficulty with rythm, both on offense and defense. On the offensive side, I think the play calling has hindered their rhythm whereas defensively the plays have been fine, but there has been too many breakdowns.
Talent wise, I think this team is fine- Superbowl ready? No way, but they were talented enough to make the playoffs.
As far as the draft is concerned, I totally agree with the poster who suggested -and to whom you responded-that it is way to early to evaluate this draft class. We had more starters last year from the draft because we were not a talented team. I'm not ready to make any evaluation of Allen yet, since we still haven't seen him play yet, but I trust that Saban and the coaching staff are keeping him out for good reasons- and I don't think talent is the reason.

I'm not disagreeing with myself - I'm pointing out two of the biggest problems on this team - lack of talent (including this draft class) and a scheme that is so complicated that everyone has to slow down to use it.

Is it not logical to assume that Saban knows and understands the complexities of his own system? If so, then is it also not logical to assume that when he picks players, he does so with the consideration that they are intelligent enough to actually grasp his sytem and play it at NFL speed?

Well - he has picked players who can't grasp his system and many of those that havebeen here still don't grasp it. How many times (prior to the past two seasons) have you heard Zach discuss not making the right calls and getting confused, and how it takes time? I'll tell you - never.

I'm glad a lot of people support Allen, I hope he succeeds. But, right now, this guy can't crack the line up of one of the worst caliber groups in the NFL. When you are a #16 pick, that equates to being a bust. One of our biggest needs in the offseason was Safety. Allen was drafted so that he could contribute immediately at a high need position. Well - he hasn't. Expectations have not been remotely met - across the board - with this guy.

 

[Mater Dei]

Have no idea. I guess people are throwing tantrums because they want a Superbowl win and they want it NOW. Too bad it doesn't work that way.

 

[thecoordinator]

a good point about carey is he was a first round pick, who we even traded up to get. usually you do that when you think a guy has franchise tackle potential. carey has really come on, but will need to develop into a probowl tackle, or very close to one, to justify not only picking him in the first round but also trading up to get him.

 

[jdang307]

a good point about carey is he was a first round pick, who we even traded up to get. usually you do that when you think a guy has franchise tackle potential. carey has really come on, but will need to develop into a probowl tackle, or very close to one, to justify not only picking him in the first round but also trading up to get him.

But that's our point I think. He wasn't worth trading up to get him, Spielman got fleeced. He probably would have been there when we picked. But he can't control that, and we can't control what pick was used on him now, nor does it matter. He's an able body on a horrible line (so far except the last coupla games).

 

[fishypete]

Regardless of whom did the selecting....the Dolphins drafts as far as first round picks have been outright failures....do you realize that the Dolphins only have TWO of their first rounders playing....TWO. How can a team build talent when you don't have the best players on the field....your talent is from the front of the draft....in fact the Dolphins have been very lucky since Johnson that we have had players taken as far back as the 5th round to play well....Zack a 5th rounder...Taylor a 2nd rounder....Chambers a 2nd rounder.
The ONLY two first rounders playing for the Dolphins are Brown and Carey...with Allen still not starting...he'd be the third. How many good teams have just two first rounders playing from their draft....the Pats have three alone on the D-line...never mind the others on the team. The Problem with the Dolphins is...they don't keep the talented players...they rather trade them away or waive them and use scrubs instead....thats the reason why we can't win...why we don't improve....year after year.