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Why is there a dis-like of the Wildcat?

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It was not created because we did not have playmakers it is because Sporano knows to win you have to throw everything you got at an opponent. It made defenses have one more thing to prepare for and it gave all 3 Rbs a chance to make something happen. Why not get a guy like pat white to add more wrinkles to the wildcat. Watch the block white puts on a defender in this video, he is tuff if you ask me and 4-0 bowl record means more than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2DmuK91efw
 
I mean personally i'm all for the Wildcat and i honetly don't think it's the only thing in our offense. I think it's a formation within the offense that happens to be very effective when called upon. I do however think we need to get the power run game going similar to what Carolina does. Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams/Patrick Cobbs> Steven Davis/ Desean Foster.
 
tuna is interested is Pat White I hear and if he's interested then lets get him he knows how to find the right talent
 
I mean personally i'm all for the Wildcat and i honetly don't think it's the only thing in our offense. I think it's a formation within the offense that happens to be very effective when called upon. I do however think we need to get the power run game going similar to what Carolina does. Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams/Patrick Cobbs> Steven Davis/ Desean Foster.

DeAngelo Williams/John Stewart are way better then Davis/Foster was
 
It was not created because we did not have playmakers it is because Sporano knows to win you have to throw everything you got at an opponent. It made defenses have one more thing to prepare for and it gave all 3 Rbs a chance to make something happen. Why not get a guy like pat white to add more wrinkles to the wildcat. Watch the block white puts on a defender in this video, he is tuff if you ask me and 4-0 bowl record means more than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2DmuK91efw

Actually Sporano didn't have anything to do with it, neither did Henning. It was the QB coach David Lee that told Henning about the WildCat he used in College. Henning was beside himself after the 1st two losses and didn't know what to do with the O. That's when David Lee told him about the Wild Cat O. We see what happened after that. I'm not a big supporter of Henning's O by NO means, but he's good friends with Bill so we're stuck with him.

I like the Wild Cat formation, but we need to keep changing what we do in that formation. I wouldn't go out and draft players just for the WildCat but use it with different twist.
 
The Vanilla offense coach Mularky, Mustache and all those others after Marino...was Run Run Pass Punt. It was soooooo refreshing to see this Wildcat Offense. Listen you take the players you have and mold the offense to the best of their abilities. You dont jam a offense you like with players that cant run it effectively. We were 2-4 and needed a change. That change got us to the playoffs...that change WAS the wildcat. imo.

Plus over HALF the league ran it at some point in a actual game, so you cant tell me it wasnt effective. FACT nobody ran it as smoothly as Miami. They just looked natural doing it.
 
here's my thing on getting Pat White...or Tim Tebow, or any other college QB that people want to get to use int he wildcat

They're not going to be one of our 2 QB's. So that means they are either #3 QB, (essentially inactive) or they take up another roster spot (4th RB, 5th WR, etc)

Then, we put them on the field in place of who? Ronnie Brown? no thanks. Ricky Williams? Nope. Cobbs even? I wouldn't.

These players have proven to be NFL caliber runners. You can't just throw anyone back there and have it work....did it work for Troy Smith in Baltimore? Not against us it didn't.

Besides, the bigger point is that the skill players we have running it now are more than adequate, and will be more effective in that formation, and every other offensive formations if we get some better blockers for them.

Fix the O-line, talent and depth....and everything gets better. Get a college QB to run the wildcat once and a while....and I don't know what exactly you are improving.
 
The Wildcat is a constant reminder that we do not have the capability to impose our will on other teams. It was not implimented becasue we were a well oiled machine offensivly. It was implimented because our Offensive personell were and are lackluster for the most part, and, Dan Henning may well be senile.

Dan Henning was the author of the brilliantly innovative 3 straight play action passes in the last minute of the Jets game with no T/Os remaining and down by a TD.

I would just like to see the day when we can line up our 11 and beat thier 11 by hitting them in the face. I'm fine with the Wildcat if it covers our glareing flaws for a few plays, but, that's why it's being used.
 
here's my thing on getting Pat White...or Tim Tebow, or any other college QB that people want to get to use int he wildcat

They're not going to be one of our 2 QB's. So that means they are either #3 QB, (essentially inactive) or they take up another roster spot (4th RB, 5th WR, etc)

Then, we put them on the field in place of who? Ronnie Brown? no thanks. Ricky Williams? Nope. Cobbs even? I wouldn't.

These players have proven to be NFL caliber runners. You can't just throw anyone back there and have it work....did it work for Troy Smith in Baltimore? Not against us it didn't.

Besides, the bigger point is that the skill players we have running it now are more than adequate, and will be more effective in that formation, and every other offensive formations if we get some better blockers for them.

Fix the O-line, talent and depth....and everything gets better. Get a college QB to run the wildcat once and a while....and I don't know what exactly you are improving.
At some point this season, everyone of those players have been replaced one way or another. Ronnie, while a very good runner, leaves much to the imagination as a passer. The same with Ricky in the few times he played QB in the formation. Cobbs and Martin are pretty much interchangeable in the right slot. Having another player who can be used just adds to the options available for the formation.
 
The Wildcat is a constant reminder that we do not have the capability to impose our will on other teams. It was not implimented becasue we were a well oiled machine offensivly. It was implimented because our Offensive personell were and are lackluster for the most part, and, Dan Henning may well be senile.

Dan Henning was the author of the brilliantly innovative 3 straight play action passes in the last minute of the Jets game with no T/Os remaining and down by a TD.

I would just like to see the day when we can line up our 11 and beat thier 11 by hitting them in the face. I'm fine with the Wildcat if it covers our glareing flaws for a few plays, but, that's why it's being used.

I'm pretty sure you cannot speak for the coaching staff and I've never heard any of them say that we used the Wildcat to cover up our weaknesses. MY OPINION is that we implemented it to mix it up and catch oppenents off guard, but found an original formation along the way that has endless possibilities that can be used multiple times in every game.

Why do we need to get away from it and start "hitting them in the face"? Sure, it would be nice if our offensive line got meaner and stronger, but I see no reason to discard the wildcat formation, even when we no longer have those glaring holes that you speak of in the skill positions. Look at the Patriots spread offense. They sure as hell score a lot of points and don't need to play power football to do it. I think the Wildcat is here to stay in the NFL.
 
The Wildcat is a constant reminder that we do not have the capability to impose our will on other teams. It was not implimented becasue we were a well oiled machine offensivly. It was implimented because our Offensive personell were and are lackluster for the most part, and, Dan Henning may well be senile.

Dan Henning was the author of the brilliantly innovative 3 straight play action passes in the last minute of the Jets game with no T/Os remaining and down by a TD.

I would just like to see the day when we can line up our 11 and beat thier 11 by hitting them in the face. I'm fine with the Wildcat if it covers our glareing flaws for a few plays, but, that's why it's being used.

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I'm pretty sure you cannot speak for the coaching staff and I've never heard any of them say that we used the Wildcat to cover up our weaknesses.

Ya think? No, I freely admit I can't speak for the coaching staff. You can't, and, noone can really. What I stated is my opinion. I thought that was pretty much assumed, because I am not employed by the Dolphins in any capacity, but, maybe not. I'll make sure I add that disclaimer to all my posts from here on in.

No, you have not heard them say they used the Wildcat to cover for anything. What did you expect them to say? "Um...Yes, we would like to announce we used the WIldcat formation to mix up our play calls because PEople in the stands are yelling down our next play."? No. My wife also won't say she wears sweatshirts when she looks fat either, but, it doesn't make it any less true.

MY OPINION is that we implemented it to mix it up and catch oppenents off guard, but found an original formation along the way that has endless possibilities that can be used multiple times in every game.
Yes...And why do you think that is? Because Dan Henning was so unimaginitive we were getting crap for production. It's not an origional formation. It's been around since the '60s. It has possibilities but it's also very limiting, in that it takes the ball out of your QB's hands.

Every hear of the Run and Shoot? It was successful on the Pro level for a while too. Noone had seen it or had a clue how to stop it....For a while. There is a reason you don't see it now, because people figgured out a way to stop it, just like will happen for the Wildcat formation based offense. We caught people off gaurd with it this year, and, people were playing catchup. Won't be that way next year. For every possibility there is in the Wildcat, there are more in any standard set, because your QB has the ball.

Why do we need to get away from it and start "hitting them in the face"? Sure, it would be nice if our offensive line got meaner and stronger, but I see no reason to discard the wildcat formation, even when we no longer have those glaring holes that you speak of in the skill positions. Look at the Patriots spread offense. They sure as hell score a lot of points and don't need to play power football to do it. I think the Wildcat is here to stay in the NFL.

Because it's football. Did you watch the Ravens game? That's a football team that hits people in the face. The Patriots use a spread, as you say. But guess what? They line up with a regular line, spread out thier recievers, pu tthe ball in the QBs hands, and, beat people. We still can't do that.

I am not opposed to keeping the Wildcat formation in the playbook. I'm fine with it and am not morally opposed to it, but when you get people babbleing about selecting players specificly for it, that is just sheer lunacy. You think it is here to stay in the NFL. I don't.
 
The dislike of the Wildcat is because we have to keep on seeing stupid, ignorant posts about how we should draft Tebow or White...
 
It's a nice change of pace, but we still need to be able to effectively run and pass the ball out of base formations. I think people are down on it because we didn't do it very well as the season wore on, and the consensus was that we should have been working more on the standard running and passing game.
 
I'm pretty sure you cannot speak for the coaching staff and I've never heard any of them say that we used the Wildcat to cover up our weaknesses.

There's no reason for them to admit that, and even if it is true, they wouldn't do it regardless....

MY OPINION is that we implemented it to mix it up and catch oppenents off guard, but found an original formation along the way that has endless possibilities that can be used multiple times in every game.

We implemented the wildcat as a desperate cry for help in my opinion. We were lucky we had the pieces in place to make it work effectively, and we lived off of it until we could no longer keep defenses guessing...

I think had we been able to run the ball more effectively lining up in a standard I formation, the wildcat wouldn't have been such a large part of our offense this year. With that said, heading into 2009, I think focusing on strengthening the OL is the biggest key to minimizing our reliance on the wildcat....

Why do we need to get away from it and start "hitting them in the face"?

The playoff loss to the Ravens. What else needs to be said??...

I think the Wildcat is here to stay in the NFL.

It's been here for awhile, we just revived it this year. I think it will remain a nice "option play" for offenses to use if they have the correct pieces in place, but in regards to the league as a whole, I doubt we'll be seeing very many teams throwing away their old playbooks, and rewriting them based on the wildcat formation....

IN TUNA WE TRUST....
 
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