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Even Im getting tired of all this Henne vs. Beck talk on here. It seems like people are arguing over two QBs who most likely wont see the field in the regular season unless McCown gets injured.

Josh McCown is a pretty good QB in the NFL IMHO. There is obviously something Parcells likes in him, otherwise he wouldnt have signed him. It wasnt just to fill out the depth chart. He selected this guy out of a pool of FA QBs, all of whom he couldve offered contracts. Granted the FA pool wasnt spectacular, this is the guy Parcells chose. At the very least McCown represents a more than capable backup on any NFL team.

Looking at his career, the guy played pretty well in Arizona. Honestly, I feel like if there wasnt pressure on Dennis Green to play Warner because of the contract the FO there gave him, McCown wouldve stayed the starter. He outplayed Warner that season.

In Detroit, I feel like he shouldve started over Kitna. The thing about Detroit is the team is ran by a bunch of morons. So, you cant really put much stock into any decisions they make as to who's the better QB. Kinda like a Cam Cameron pick.

Last year he STARTED for a pathetic Oakland team that is being ran into the ground by an owner who is a control freak and his time has passed. He is basically the laughingstock of the league in regards to owners, much like Detroit in regards to FO's. Nevertheless, the coach there decided McCown was the best QB they had and started every game in which he was available to play in 100% healthy.

So you guys can bicker over 2 QBs who most likely wont sniff the field all you want. As far as this season goes, be ready to support Josh McCown. I think we need to get behind this guy and quit sleeping on him.

Now in respect to who will be the QB of the future, you can bicker over Henne and Beck all you want, but the reality is Parcells has spoken. Even though it was Gene Upshaw's voice, it was Parcell's mind who had whomever write down on the card the words Chad Henne QB, Michigan and hand it to Upshaw who spoke for him.

Chad Henne is the QB who Parcells wants and plans to be our QB when we make our run in 1-3 more seasons. Thats why he selected him. But, before we declare him the great one, lets wait and see him play in games that count before we swear he is as good as we might hope.

This is the same trap Beck lovers fell into. Now they are still in love with the guy despite what they witnessed last season. He couldnt have performed any worse. Im not talking about the subpar or even really bad play of his teammates. Im talking about John Beck's play. The things he had complete control over that had nothing to do with how well his OL blocked or his receivers played. In those aspects of the game he failed miserably. This dosent mean Im not or wasnt rooting for the guy, he is a phin. Its just how it was.

The last thing I will comment on is this ridiculous notion that Beck should start so everyone can "see what he can do" or be given a legit shot now that the players around him are better. This is just absurd. If John Beck will start it will be because HE EARNED IT. Secondly, why can the FO and coaches not decide whether he is good enough to start based on camp, preseason, and practice? Why must he start in order for them to figure out if he can cut it?

And finally, if Beck were good enough to start the reality is the FO wouldve used a pick as high as 57 on something besides a QB if they felt he was good enough to start. First of all they already signed a more than capable backup in McCown. Secondly, they reviewed the film and have had plenty of time to work with Beck already this offseason. Im sure they have decided at this point if they feel Beck is starter material for this season. And with all the needs of this team talent wise and how much talent was available at that pick, there is no way they spend that pick on a QB if they felt they had the guy they wanted at that position already. No way.

So if Beck is to start this year, he will have definately earned it because he will have to show the coaches and FO something he obviously hasnt shown them AS OF YET, that makes them think they can send him out there and he will help us win games. Debasteabone said it best when he said you guys are about a week too late. The whole argument over Beck/Henne is even wearing me out because its gotten to the point it is getting clouded with things such as how tall a guy is compared to his listed combine height. Please. Can he play or not? Thats the issue.

In closing you guys need to quit SLEEPING on Josh McCown, stop acting like Henne is the answer we have been looking for when we just dont know that yet, and PLEASE stop pretending that Beck should start for ridiculous reasons that he needs a "chance to prove". He will have his chance. He has had his chances already. He has been with the coaches and FO for a few months now.

The fact is John Beck is seriously behind the 8 ball when it comes to having the edge on being the guy for this team in the future. Henne is the hand picked guy of the people currently in charge.

Beck will have his shot so long as he is here. In the NFL things happen. As long as he is on the roster there are plenty of practices and preseason games. The coaches will be there. Guys get hurt. Things dont always go to plan either. Henne could blow, McCown could get hurt. Lots of things can happen. If Beck is as good as some of you think he is, the cream will rise. He wont be cheated of an opportunity. However, with the FO selecting Henne, its obvious that as of today, John Beck has yet to really impress the current FO with the opportunities he has had so far.
 
Right out the gate a one star huh? I barely clicked submit. I figure someone didnt bother to read the thread. This is as well thought out and written post on the current QB situation as you will find IMHO.
 
After I read all that I then read your signature, which says: "With the 57th selection in the 2008 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select........John Beck's hopes flushed down the drain...A.K.A...Chad Henne, QB, Michigan." Gene Upshaw

I got a good LOL from that. Thanks.
 
Sulamar said:
After I read all that I then read your signature, which says: "With the 57th selection in the 2008 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select........John Beck's hopes flushed down the drain...A.K.A...Chad Henne, QB, Michigan." Gene Upshaw

I got a good LOL from that. Thanks.
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Well his hopes are pretty much dashed. As I pointed out, the guy is behind the 8 ball when it comes to earning the position of long term future starting QB for the phins.

The FO has hand picked a guy in FA who is a serviceable backup at the least and a good stop gap starter. Then they selected a 2nd round draft pick at the position who is 3 or 4 years younger than Beck.

So Im kinda exaggerating for humor effect in the sig, but Beck really has his work cut out for him if he wants to become the guy for the phins. Id say its a real longshot, so his hopes are pretty much dashed. Just reality.
 
Beck2Ginn said:
i like McCown. the starting job is between he and Beck. should be an interesting battle.
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I think its between all 3 of them with McCown having the clear advantage.

Id guess Henne will not be the backup. I think he will either impress enough that the coaches think he is ready to go, or will be 3rd string and watch the whole year.

Id say Beck is by far the biggest longshot to earn the starting job. The other two guys were hand picked by the FO. I get the idea that as of yet, Beck has done nothing to suggest to the FO and coaches that he is good enough to start. So unless he starts giving them reason to think so between now and late August, its not gonna happen for him. In fact its not entirely impossible he is shipped or flat out released. I have no doubts that Parcells would welcome Simms aboard should he fell that Beck is not at least an adequate backup to McCown.
 
Third Eye said:
WV Dolphan:

Do you just want to stir sh%t up on here or what? You just had a two star thread that you created and continued to argue for 7+ pages of posts that discussed how crappy Beck is and how he is not Dan Marino after 5 partial games in his rookie year on the worst team in the NFL in 2007.

As if that wasnt comical enough, now you start a thread saying you want to get past all the Beck vs. Henne thing and discuss the merits of journeyman Josh McCown.

You are an effing clown, you really are. You should seriously be banned from this site for sheer idiocracyness.
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Actually Im tired of so many who feel the same way I do about Beck, pretending that Henne is some kind of lock to be the guy.

Im also hoping someone besides me starts stepping up and discussing the merits of Josh McCown. I think he's pretty tough and Im glad he's part of our team.

Basically, Im trying to have a good solid rational discussion about the QB position that INCLUDES McCown and more or less sticks to things that matter like what the FO and coaches might be thinking as opposed to bickering over how tall a guy might be compared to what his combine number says and avoiding posters bashing one another in the manner in which you have just done.
 
Reality is: The dude is nothing more than a veteran back-up.

He still relativly young, and has a live arm. But regardless nothing more than a solid backup. That's it. You think otherwise, you're seriously kidding yourself.

He's like a younger Gus Frerotte.
 
McCown boils down to this: Three bad teams who needed QBs let him go. Arizona let him go, then they drafted their QB of the future. Detroit had McCown running routes as a WR then traded him as a throw in with Mike Williams to Oakland for a 4th round pick. Oakland then takes a good look, cuts him loose and drafts their $60 million dollar Daunte clone.

Perhaps all three teams missed on him. That's possible. But, for me, it doesn't inspire a lot of hope that he's the answer at QB for his 4th team.
 
WVdolphan said:
Even Im getting tired of all this Henne vs. Beck talk on here. It seems like people are arguing over two QBs who most likely wont see the field in the regular season unless McCown gets injured.

Josh McCown is a pretty good QB in the NFL IMHO. There is obviously something Parcells likes in him, otherwise he wouldnt have signed him. It wasnt just to fill out the depth chart. He selected this guy out of a pool of FA QBs, all of whom he couldve offered contracts. Granted the FA pool wasnt spectacular, this is the guy Parcells chose. At the very least McCown represents a more than capable backup on any NFL team.

Looking at his career, the guy played pretty well in Arizona. Honestly, I feel like if there wasnt pressure on Dennis Green to play Warner because of the contract the FO there gave him, McCown wouldve stayed the starter. He outplayed Warner that season.

In Detroit, I feel like he shouldve started over Kitna. The thing about Detroit is the team is ran by a bunch of morons. So, you cant really put much stock into any decisions they make as to who's the better QB. Kinda like a Cam Cameron pick.

Last year he STARTED for a pathetic Oakland team that is being ran into the ground by an owner who is a control freak and his time has passed. He is basically the laughingstock of the league in regards to owners, much like Detroit in regards to FO's. Nevertheless, the coach there decided McCown was the best QB they had and started every game in which he was available to play in 100% healthy.

So you guys can bicker over 2 QBs who most likely wont sniff the field all you want. As far as this season goes, be ready to support Josh McCown. I think we need to get behind this guy and quit sleeping on him.

Now in respect to who will be the QB of the future, you can bicker over Henne and Beck all you want, but the reality is Parcells has spoken. Even though it was Gene Upshaw's voice, it was Parcell's mind who had whomever write down on the card the words Chad Henne QB, Michigan and hand it to Upshaw who spoke for him.

Chad Henne is the QB who Parcells wants and plans to be our QB when we make our run in 1-3 more seasons. Thats why he selected him. But, before we declare him the great one, lets wait and see him play in games that count before we swear he is as good as we might hope.

This is the same trap Beck lovers fell into. Now they are still in love with the guy despite what they witnessed last season. He couldnt have performed any worse. Im not talking about the subpar or even really bad play of his teammates. Im talking about John Beck's play. The things he had complete control over that had nothing to do with how well his OL blocked or his receivers played. In those aspects of the game he failed miserably. This dosent mean Im not or wasnt rooting for the guy, he is a phin. Its just how it was.

The last thing I will comment on is this ridiculous notion that Beck should start so everyone can "see what he can do" or be given a legit shot now that the players around him are better. This is just absurd. If John Beck will start it will be because HE EARNED IT. Secondly, why can the FO and coaches not decide whether he is good enough to start based on camp, preseason, and practice? Why must he start in order for them to figure out if he can cut it?

And finally, if Beck were good enough to start the reality is the FO wouldve used a pick as high as 57 on something besides a QB if they felt he was good enough to start. First of all they already signed a more than capable backup in McCown. Secondly, they reviewed the film and have had plenty of time to work with Beck already this offseason. Im sure they have decided at this point if they feel Beck is starter material for this season. And with all the needs of this team talent wise and how much talent was available at that pick, there is no way they spend that pick on a QB if they felt they had the guy they wanted at that position already. No way.

So if Beck is to start this year, he will have definately earned it because he will have to show the coaches and FO something he obviously hasnt shown them AS OF YET, that makes them think they can send him out there and he will help us win games. Debasteabone said it best when he said you guys are about a week too late. The whole argument over Beck/Henne is even wearing me out because its gotten to the point it is getting clouded with things such as how tall a guy is compared to his listed combine height. Please. Can he play or not? Thats the issue.

In closing you guys need to quit SLEEPING on Josh McCown, stop acting like Henne is the answer we have been looking for when we just dont know that yet, and PLEASE stop pretending that Beck should start for ridiculous reasons that he needs a "chance to prove". He will have his chance. He has had his chances already. He has been with the coaches and FO for a few months now.

The fact is John Beck is seriously behind the 8 ball when it comes to having the edge on being the guy for this team in the future. Henne is the hand picked guy of the people currently in charge.

Beck will have his shot so long as he is here. In the NFL things happen. As long as he is on the roster there are plenty of practices and preseason games. The coaches will be there. Guys get hurt. Things dont always go to plan either. Henne could blow, McCown could get hurt. Lots of things can happen. If Beck is as good as some of you think he is, the cream will rise. He wont be cheated of an opportunity. However, with the FO selecting Henne, its obvious that as of today, John Beck has yet to really impress the current FO with the opportunities he has had so far.
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You make some valid points WV and as mentioned in another thread, my dad loved YA Tittle who came to the Giants washed up and retired a God.. so I'm not discounting McCown putting it all together either. And if he turns out to be our guy for the next 8 years, that's fine. I have a lot of faith in Beck but if Henne beats him out I'm ok with that cause I know he pushed Henne further than he's ever been pushed to rise to the occasion. The biggest contention I have with your post is your claim that Beck couldn't have performed any worse. That's just not true. He outperformed the $30MM goodyear blimp Russell in most every meaningful QB category including a 6 point higher QBrating- and Russell had the 6th most potent NFL running attack to boot. Sure he fumbled and that's a cause for concern, but the #1 all everything pick fumbled only 2 less times and I don't hear the folks in Oakland getting frantic. I think Beck is very smart, self-effacing and has been working like crazy on all his first year shortcomings. Only time will tell whether he's successful. I don't know if you read CKParrothead's Draft Eval but he's pretty high on Beck IF Beck can slow the game down, and mentioned him having Steve Young potential. So we have an expert Finheavener and a Superbowl Great, both with exceptional and diverse perspectives who don't share your opinion of John. Again, only time will tell. My biggest fear is giving up on a guy who needs a year or two according to CK, to develop and then see him go elsewhere and become someone else's Steve Young or Drew Brees.
 
You put a lot of effort into your post, and I commend you for that. However, why doesn't McCown get any respect? Because nobody here seriously believes that he is the future of this team at quarterback. His past indicates that he's nothing more than a decent backup in the NFL. Does 35 TD's to 40 INT's scream starting material? Not to mention the fumblitis that's plagued him over the years. Not to me it doesn't. McCown may start a few games this season, but let's not go overboard and think that he's the answer to Miami's quarterback woes. He's tough, gritty, has a lot of heart, but in the end he's not really anything special.
 
I think McCown will push Beck to become better, Mccown will backup Beck, and but it will be a close competition. Henne will be 3rd string.....forever.
 
X-Pacolypse said:
You put a lot of effort into your post, and I commend you for that. However, why doesn't McCown get any respect? Because nobody here seriously believes that he is the future of this team at quarterback. His past indicates that he's nothing more than a decent backup in the NFL. Does 35 TD's to 40 INT's scream starting material? Not to mention the fumblitis that's plagued him over the years. Not to me it doesn't. McCown may start a few games this season, but let's not go overboard and think that he's the answer to Miami's quarterback woes. He's tough, gritty, has a lot of heart, but in the end he's not really anything special.
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I dont see him being the future either but, I think he has a good shot of being a pretty good QB for us in a starting role for at least 1 year if not 2. I just thought it would be refreshing to give some props to a guy who is getting overshadowed on this site by two guys who have proven zip and pip in the NFL. I mean, chances are that McCown is our starter this season, so lets show the guy some love already. After all, Beck supporters always harp about supporting the players on the team. Lets quit bickering over two guys who's time hasnt come and get on the McCownwagon. :up:
 
WVdolphan said:
Right out the gate a one star huh? I barely clicked submit. I figure someone didnt bother to read the thread. This is as well thought out and written post on the current QB situation as you will find IMHO.
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Yea join the club I think i have some people rate my threads one star as soon as they see my name attached lol.
 
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