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Why the O Line is So Bad

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If a lot of the bad things that have happened with this team in the last few years were roads, then all roads would lead to the offensive line:

1) Bad personnel moves -- Wade Smith for a #2 and #3 (utterly ridiculous). Taylor Whitley with a #3. Drafting people like Jamar Fletcher and Eddie Moore instead of quality offensive linemen. Letting Marcus Spriggs walk when your only other option is a rookie left tackle (Smith) who played exactly one year at a small university at one of the most difficult positions to play in the NFL. Not signing Pete Kendall this year. And dare I say it? -- spending a #1 and a #4 on a guy who can't crack the starting lineup on THIS line. Trading a #4 to move up to take Shawn Andrews would've been a better decision. If you're gonna trade a pick to move up to get a guy, the guy should be a starter year one. Andrews was starting on one of the best lines in football.

2) Personnel turnover on offense -- too many changes in one offseason to be able to put it all together in one year. Spielman had good intentions, but expecting FOUR new guys to come together in one season is, as Dr. Phil would say, "an unrealistic expectation." They said all the pressure was on Tony Wise this year, and that was an understatement to say the least.

3) Coaching mess -- Foerster is teaching a playbook that he's just now learning himself. The mini-camps this year had to look like the blind leading the blind. Not good for an offensive line with FOUR new guys on it.

4) Ricky's quitting -- blocking for a great runner brings out the best in a line, and his quitting may have had more to do with seeing this mess in mini-camps than we'd originally thought. Who in his right mind would want to be cast in the role of the battering ram behind THIS line? Remember hearing about how the D line was constantly caving in the O line in mini-camps? Yeah, Ricky was there for that too. And after the pounding he took last year, who can blame him? If you're gonna put the team on one guy's shoulders, you better be able to support that one guy's play.

5) DW's personality -- if there was ever a unit that needed to be reamed, this is it. We don't have the coach who can do it though. They say a team takes on the personality of its coach -- we have a coach who can't get openly angry at his team, so we have an offensive line that doesn't appear to be angry at anybody on the field. Instead we have doormats who play with no passion or intensity. Don't think it's a coincidence that the line played its best after McMichael blasted them.

Anyway, when you have this much mess going on, some part of the team has to absorb it most. In our case it's the O line.
 
Wade Smith was obtained for a #2, not a 2 and 3. Actually, we traded our 2004 2nd round pick for NE's 2003 third rounder, with which we selected Smith. This hurt in a couple of ways... of course the most obvious is that Wade isnt worth a 2nd round pick. Also, when we took Wade in the 3rd round, our natural 3rd round pick was only a few slots later...which could have been used on Smith instead of Whitley saving the 2nd round pick we traded. And, for the kicker....what did NE do with the 2nd round pick they got from us? They traded it for Corey Dillon.
 
and some of us could have picked a better o line out of the stands! :shakeno:
 
yankeehillbilly said:
Wade Smith was obtained for a #2, not a 2 and 3. Actually, we traded our 2004 2nd round pick for NE's 2003 third rounder, with which we selected Smith. This hurt in a couple of ways... of course the most obvious is that Wade isnt worth a 2nd round pick. Also, when we took Wade in the 3rd round, our natural 3rd round pick was only a few slots later...which could have been used on Smith instead of Whitley saving the 2nd round pick we traded. And, for the kicker....what did NE do with the 2nd round pick they got from us? They traded it for Corey Dillon.
Great point -- and thanks for the correction.
 
And dare I say it? -- spending a #1 and a #4 on a guy who can't crack the starting lineup on THIS line. Trading a #4 to move up to take Shawn Andrews would've been a better decision. If you're gonna trade a pick to move up to get a guy, the guy should be a starter year one. Andrews was starting on one of the best lines in football.
Ummmmm.......that wouldnt have helped either,Shawn Andrews is out the entire season with an injury. :rolleyes:
 
WelcomeBack said:
Ummmmm.......that wouldnt have helped either,Shawn Andrews is out the entire season with an injury. :rolleyes:
And you think that exact play would've happened with us? The fact that he was starting for Philly is the argument, not what happened afterward.
 
Who is to say that Andrews would be injured if he were down here, though?

My complaint about Carey is and will remain that this team should have gone Wilfolk. I'm not going to label Carey a bust becuase it is clear that we're getting some of the worst OL coaching in the league, though.
 
shouright said:
If a lot of the bad things that have happened with this team in the last few years were roads, then all roads would lead to the offensive line:

1) Bad personnel moves -- Wade Smith for a #2 and #3 (utterly ridiculous). Taylor Whitley with a #3. Drafting people like Jamar Fletcher and Eddie Moore instead of quality offensive linemen. Letting Marcus Spriggs walk when your only other option is a rookie left tackle (Smith) who played exactly one year at a small university at one of the most difficult positions to play in the NFL. Not signing Pete Kendall this year. And dare I say it? -- spending a #1 and a #4 on a guy who can't crack the starting lineup on THIS line. Trading a #4 to move up to take Shawn Andrews would've been a better decision. If you're gonna trade a pick to move up to get a guy, the guy should be a starter year one. Andrews was starting on one of the best lines in football.

2) Personnel turnover on offense -- too many changes in one offseason to be able to put it all together in one year. Spielman had good intentions, but expecting FOUR new guys to come together in one season is, as Dr. Phil would say, "an unrealistic expectation." They said all the pressure was on Tony Wise this year, and that was an understatement to say the least.

3) Coaching mess -- Foerster is teaching a playbook that he's just now learning himself. The mini-camps this year had to look like the blind leading the blind. Not good for an offensive line with FOUR new guys on it.

4) Ricky's quitting -- blocking for a great runner brings out the best in a line, and his quitting may have had more to do with seeing this mess in mini-camps than we'd originally thought. Who in his right mind would want to be cast in the role of the battering ram behind THIS line? Remember hearing about how the D line was constantly caving in the O line in mini-camps? Yeah, Ricky was there for that too. And after the pounding he took last year, who can blame him? If you're gonna put the team on one guy's shoulders, you better be able to support that one guy's play.

5) DW's personality -- if there was ever a unit that needed to be reamed, this is it. We don't have the coach who can do it though. They say a team takes on the personality of its coach -- we have a coach who can't get openly angry at his team, so we have an offensive line that doesn't appear to be angry at anybody on the field. Instead we have doormats who play with no passion or intensity. Don't think it's a coincidence that the line played its best after McMichael blasted them.

Anyway, when you have this much mess going on, some part of the team has to absorb it most. In our case it's the O line.
1) shawn andrew was taken WAY before we could have gotten him (Eagles took him by surprise)

2) ya, but he couldn't have done a better job with our cards...what do we do, just sit idly by while there were player we could have acquired that HAD THE POSSIBILITY of helping us this year? in retrospect the only things those moves have done is bolster our O for the future...

i agree with everything else...losing to pittsburgh next week should solidify our status this season, next week...i promise they will be blitzing on every play
 
ABrownLamp said:
1) shawn andrew was taken WAY before we could have gotten him (Eagles took him by surprise)

2) ya, but he couldn't have done a better job with our cards...what do we do, just sit idly by while there were player we could have acquired that HAD THE POSSIBILITY of helping us this year? in retrospect the only things those moves have done is bolster our O for the future...

i agree with everything else...losing to pittsburgh next week should solidify our status this season, next week...i promise they will be blitzing on every play
But by not trading up for Andrews, the entire league was able to see that there was only ONE guy left on the board who could fill our need. At that point they were able to exploit us. Should've been WAY more proactive on that one.
 
shouright said:
But by not trading up for Andrews, the entire league was able to see that there was only ONE guy left on the board who could fill our need. At that point they were able to exploit us. Should've been WAY more proactive on that one.
true, but we gave a fourth rounder to move up one spot...to move up to a position where we could have gotten andrews (before philly..whom we couldn't have possibly known would have taken him) would have required a much, much greater cost...i don't think the FO could have even known to move up that high to get him...and even if we did, the OL still would have stunk last night...could you imagine what things would have been said about the moves it would have taken during the draft to get andrews after playing the game we played last night...it's a catch 22, man...i think not moving up that high and preserving some of our picks was probably a better idea
 
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