by stockar, was he injured or just ineffective. i know dmac was lifted for carey later in the game, can anyone elaborate on this situayion..?
Why was Carey replaced
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DolfanISS
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Despite what the Carey lovers on the board might say, both tackles, actually all 3 struggled today. Saban was just looking for some consistancy.
im glad there was no injuries, im also glad nick isnt afraid to shake it up and get peoples ***** in gear
ckparrothead
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I'm not sure anyone has the real story, it is only conjecture at this point.
My suspicion is that since we saw Stockar McDougle being substituted early for Carey in the Buccaneer, Broncos, and now Jets games, is that the coaching staff really wants McDougle to win back his job at RT. Once that happens, I can virtually guarantee that Carey takes the starting left tackle job back from McIntosh immediately.
Right now we're fielding the McIntosh-Carey tandem because they are the most mistake-free pair we have. But their profiles are the complete opposite of what we want to be. Your right tackle should be a dominant run blocker with maybe a few weaknesses in pass protection. Your left tackle should be a dominant pass protector who can afford to be a bit pedestrian in run blocking.
But McIntosh is a much better run blocker than pass protector, and Carey is a much better pass protector than run blocker! So why not just move McIntosh over to RT? First off, it MAY have been a stipulation of his contract restructuring. Remember that we had to promise not to sign or draft anyone to compete with him? perhaps moving him to RT where he'd compete with acquisition Stockar McDougle would be a violation of that deal. We should ask Brett Tessler about that one. My other suspicion is that McIntosh, who has never played RT before, is uncomfortable with the idea and probably not ambidextrous so the coaches believe he would not be the same player at RT that he is at LT.
Ideal tackle combo is Carey-McDougle, they just need McDougle to finally get on board mentally and stop making mistakes. As soon as the coaches believe McDougle has come around, he'll be on the field. The coaches didn't make him their SOLE offensive line acquisition to have him sit the entire year.
My suspicion is that since we saw Stockar McDougle being substituted early for Carey in the Buccaneer, Broncos, and now Jets games, is that the coaching staff really wants McDougle to win back his job at RT. Once that happens, I can virtually guarantee that Carey takes the starting left tackle job back from McIntosh immediately.
Right now we're fielding the McIntosh-Carey tandem because they are the most mistake-free pair we have. But their profiles are the complete opposite of what we want to be. Your right tackle should be a dominant run blocker with maybe a few weaknesses in pass protection. Your left tackle should be a dominant pass protector who can afford to be a bit pedestrian in run blocking.
But McIntosh is a much better run blocker than pass protector, and Carey is a much better pass protector than run blocker! So why not just move McIntosh over to RT? First off, it MAY have been a stipulation of his contract restructuring. Remember that we had to promise not to sign or draft anyone to compete with him? perhaps moving him to RT where he'd compete with acquisition Stockar McDougle would be a violation of that deal. We should ask Brett Tessler about that one. My other suspicion is that McIntosh, who has never played RT before, is uncomfortable with the idea and probably not ambidextrous so the coaches believe he would not be the same player at RT that he is at LT.
Ideal tackle combo is Carey-McDougle, they just need McDougle to finally get on board mentally and stop making mistakes. As soon as the coaches believe McDougle has come around, he'll be on the field. The coaches didn't make him their SOLE offensive line acquisition to have him sit the entire year.
ckparrothead
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F150&Dolfan said:
Point me out some plays where Carey struggled, and I will review them on film and agree with you. He completely shut down Shaun Ellis in pass protection. By the time McDougle popped into the game Ellis had only 2 assisted tackles.
didnt even notice ellis they both did a good job on him it was abraham, why cant jt get free like he did, he wreaked havoc the whole second half
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Uhh, guys...
As far as I know, it was McIntosh who was yanked. Vernon Carey moved to LT, and Stockar McDougle moved to RT.
As far as I know, it was McIntosh who was yanked. Vernon Carey moved to LT, and Stockar McDougle moved to RT.
Disgustipate said:
Carey was replaced by McDougle long before McIntosh was yanked. Carey spent plenty of time on the bench.
I was working at the time, charting statistics. Since it was the late slot with fewer games I was able to pay some attention to our linemen, but not as much as I would have liked. I just checked my tape and the local station showed Denver/San Diego, not our game so I don't have a tape. That blows.
It is odd Carey has spent so much time on the bench, both last year and this year. There must be something bugging the coaching staff(s). McDougle clearly isn't much, a big strong guy but not great athletic ability and a pure waistbender not an agile knee bender. I didn't think we'd see him spelling or replacing Carey in the regular season.
LarryFinFan
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claytonAndDuper said:
The OL played poorly all day...I think Carey was replaced shortly after his holding call. I think HH was just looking for something to work better...The Jests DL had our OL's number today, at least for run blocking. Later in the game, it looked like we got desperate and that's when they really teed off on us...
god dbrickshaw sounds good right about now, then pickup a qb in round 2