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I have heard eveyone saying oh oh we need chris long and how he is going to be the #1 pick but i think drafting long would be a mistake imo here is why, we are eventually going to a 3-4 maybe as soon as this year and we already have some decent ends, holliday will be moved to end as a starter and roth is on the other side not to mention we have rod wright who looked decent last year along with quenton moses, so drafting long who is a good player would not make much sense. we need a big nose tackle but glen dorsey is not the answer so i think our safest bet if we dont trade down is jake long! this would make our line sick and if we pick up faneca and resign hadnot we would have a great line! LT-long LG-faneca C-satele RG-hadnot RT-carey
 
We don't need Jake Long. We'll pick up Faneca or Adams through free agency. Parcells loves defense, and Chris Long is incredibly intelligent, hard working and comes from a great pedigree. The Giants win in the superbowl showed us that defense wins championships. I doubt, if we still have the first pick, we pass up such a valuable team leader on our D for years to come.
 
We "need" Matt Ryan. But I think that ATL will offer us a trade we won't be able to pass up. So at #3? Maybe Chris Long or Jake Long...depending if we are able to sign Flozell Adams. If we are able to sign Flozell, then the pick at #3 is Chris Long. If not, then Jake is the pick. But that also depends on what STL does. If they pick Dorsey, we are safe...if not, then we may end up with whichever Long is left.

Don't trade Jason Taylor "unless" we first trade down and Chris Long is there at #3.
 
There are a ton of Ol in this draft. I think they will explore somewhere else and take a couple OL's a in the mid rounds. So no, I don't think we would take jake Long either. If they do not trade down then I really think it will be Ryan. beck is more like Koy Detmer 9See medium arm strength and slight build) Exciting to speculate though.
 
MrEd said:
We "need" Matt Ryan. But I think that ATL will offer us a trade we won't be able to pass up. So at #3? Maybe Chris Long or Jake Long...depending if we are able to sign Flozell Adams. If we are able to sign Flozell, then the pick at #3 is Chris Long. If not, then Jake is the pick. But that also depends on what STL does. If they pick Dorsey, we are safe...if not, then we may end up with whichever Long is left.

Don't trade Jason Taylor "unless" we first trade down and Chris Long is there at #3.
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We "need" Matt Ryan about as much as we need to take 35million dollars to a roullette table and throw it on red or black. Its a huge gamble to take that guy in our current situation. Chris Long is the safest and quite possibly the best option.
 
The Dolphins need Matt Ryan, just about as much as I need a kick in the groin. The Dolphins need defensive line or offensive line help. Games are won and lost in the trenches, draft Chris Long, Jake Long, or Vernon Gholston.
 
nolefin said:
I have heard eveyone saying oh oh we need chris long and how he is going to be the #1 pick but i think drafting long would be a mistake imo here is why, we are eventually going to a 3-4 maybe as soon as this year and we already have some decent ends, holliday will be moved to end as a starter and roth is on the other side not to mention we have rod wright who looked decent last year along with quenton moses, so drafting long who is a good player would not make much sense. we need a big nose tackle but glen dorsey is not the answer so i think our safest bet if we dont trade down is jake long! this would make our line sick and if we pick up faneca and resign hadnot we would have a great line! LT-long LG-faneca C-satele RG-hadnot RT-carey
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I agree the Dolphins don't need C. Long to play DE...but if he can play OLB in a 3-4 he could be the choice. The problem is the Dolphins have so many needs you could just about select any of the top players and they would do.
 
We NEED alot of things and Chris Long would definitely be very useful to a defense that has tons of holes.
 
I just can't justify 7+M /yr and 35M guaranteed to a guy that hasn't played in the NFL unless he can change the game for us. Can Chris Long change the game - did he have a major impact EVERY college game because in the pros it will be 10x as hard. A QB changes the game. I know a RB doesn't have a long shelf life but they CHANGE the game. Look at what a Peterson does for you. What an LT could do for you. They can change the game. Randy Moss changes the game for a defense. These are guys you draft #1. Is Ryan that guy - who knows - his position is worth the money though. Is Long going to dominate and get 15 sacks per year? If not you can't pay that kind of money to a position we already have some talent at IMO. Will an OT change the game - no way in hell. You don't take an OL #1 overall IMO because they don't change the game.

What's left for Miami - take Ryan or trade down because the only other player worth a #1 overall pick is McFadden and we don't need a RB.
 
slickj102 said:
We "need" Matt Ryan about as much as we need to take 35million dollars to a roullette table and throw it on red or black. Its a huge gamble to take that guy in our current situation. Chris Long is the safest and quite possibly the best option.
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It's funny cuz I see Jake Long as the safe pick. He held his own in a tough conference for 4 years and has the physical tools and skill set to be a bookend LT for many years. Joe Thomas came in last year and had a lot of success. I think Jake will step right in and do the same. I like Chris Long as a player too, but I don't see him as a sure thing. Not sure if he's an ideal 3-4 DE so maybe he ends up as a pass rushing LB in the 3-4. I just think he may have a bit more of a learning curve where as I think Jake is gonna be solid from day 1. And I think both have great upside.
 
lets be honest here...we need a lot fo things..one player isnt going to be the reason we win or lose in '08 it has to be a whole team effort..my personal pick is vernon gholston...i like chris long but i keep saying it sthing about this kid....he is going to be great
 
Rich22 said:
I just can't justify 7+M /yr and 35M guaranteed to a guy that hasn't played in the NFL unless he can change the game for us. Can Chris Long change the game - did he have a major impact EVERY college game because in the pros it will be 10x as hard. A QB changes the game. I know a RB doesn't have a long shelf life but they CHANGE the game. Look at what a Peterson does for you. What an LT could do for you. They can change the game. Randy Moss changes the game for a defense. These are guys you draft #1. Is Ryan that guy - who knows - his position is worth the money though. Is Long going to dominate and get 15 sacks per year? If not you can't pay that kind of money to a position we already have some talent at IMO. Will an OT change the game - no way in hell. You don't take an OL #1 overall IMO because they don't change the game.

What's left for Miami - take Ryan or trade down because the only other player worth a #1 overall pick is McFadden and we don't need a RB.
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So someone you gets sacks changes a game, but someone who stops others from getting sacks does not? Someone that runs for a lot of yards is worth it, but the guy letting him do so isn't? :shakeno:

I'm not sold on Jake being strong enough in pass protection, or enough better than some other options that will be there at his position later, to say that he is worth the number one. But, if the Dolphins are, then he should be the pick.
 
fishypete said:
I agree the Dolphins don't need C. Long to play DE...but if he can play OLB in a 3-4 he could be the choice. The problem is the Dolphins have so many needs you could just about select any of the top players and they would do.
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But if we use him as a OLB,that isnt worth spending number 1 overall and giving 35M....whens the last time a OLB was drafted 1st overalll.Shawn Crable of Michigan is the same player as Long,and he is faster,we can snag him in the 2nd.What Im basically saying is,if were just drafting Chris Long for OLB,we might as well draft Jake Long,RunDMC or even Matt Ryan....
 
To me we don't need Chris Long either. If we drafted him it would be under the assumption that he can play the 3/4 OLB spot and to guarantee a "project" and thats what he would be, because he hasn't played OLB that much, 35 million dollars is wild. Chris is an high energy player like Roth is and can't be counted on as anything more. Notice no one in the draft is touting him as a pass rusher or run stopper, its always he has high energy, last time I checked high energy doesn't get to the QB, and doesn't stop the run (example Matt Roth). His own coach (Al Groh) said he would get worn down if he played end in the 3/4 in the NFL. He has an average first step, and an organization can't commit 35 mill to I guy that will probably never be a consistent 10+ sack guy. And if he can't be an OLB, 35 million dollars is NOT the going rate for a 3/4 DE, that is so many times over the going rate, we'd be the laughing stock of the league. Bump the good feelings you get about the guy and start thinking critically, his pedigree doesn't guarantee us anything. I like Jake Long or Gholston and theirs two reasons to take him. We can either win with him or be beat by him for the next 10 years (the Jets will take him at 6, in a heartbeat) and he is commonly regarded as one of the best pass rushers in the draft (ie the pass rush was the reason the Giants won, thats for those of you who use that argument to justify Chris Long as the choice) with his skill set you can always find a place for him on your team, 3/4 OLB or pass rush specialist.
 
Ahhh, the great "need" word. This is what the Dolphins did in their past drafts. Drafted based on need. And that is what puts the Dolphins in this lack of talent on the roster issue that they are in. Take Chris Long if he is the best player on the board.
 
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