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Why you probably shouldn't beat up on Fred just yet

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After reading about what transpired that night, there were eerily similar circumstances that coincided with past experiences of my own. The one that stood out most was that Fred Evans took a CAB home, because the night I "walked" home, I too could have just as easily taken my car, but I didn't because driving drunk is just something so hardwired into my brain, it doesn't even take any conscious thought for me to make the decision that I simply WILL NOT DO IT! It is one of those things that for many doesn't even take any conscious thought.However, when someone is sleepwalking, ALL the rules change. These individuals almost NEVER suddenly forget their core values, morals and beliefs while in this drunken sleepwalking state, but, they will have NO COMPREHENSION whatsoever of what is going on around them at the time in which they are sleepwalking. I would be willing to bet A WHOLE LOT of money that he wasn't anywhere near as awake as he may have "seemed" at the time. Consuming large amounts of alcohol GREATLY increases one's probability of sleepwalking or behaving in a way that would make it seem like they are awake. I'd be willing to bet Evans has said he has no recollection of the incident, and you know what? I WOULD BELIEVE HIM. A few years ago after a night of heavy drinking, I passed out on my friend's couch, was told I got up an hour or so later, told my friends things that made no sense and told them I was going home, and started walking the wrong way home, even though it was a pretty short walk and one that I had walked many MANY times before. I ended up sleepwalking almost a mile into a random stranger's house similar looking to mine, thinking it was my own. Of this night, all I remember is that I was partying with my friends, and then all of a sudden like magic, I was standing in a place I had never been before wondering, "WHOA! Where the hell am I, and WHY am I being arrested". My roommate who was also a heavy drinker and would sleepwalk would also do similar things. These individuals can "appear to be quite awake", most people don't realize that. If you talk to someone who is sleepwalking, chances are pretty good that you'll get a response (though the probability of it making any sense is pretty low). I feel confident that Fred Evans had no awareness of the actions he was taking, and is probably in a state of shock that such events could have transpired. I think the best thing he could do for himself would be to vow not to drink anymore and even join a rehab program of some sort for alcoholism ( which sort of sucks for him, cuz I would also bet good money that he is not even really an alcoholic, and like me, just had ONE bad night). I wish the best for Fred Evans and would gladly serve as a witness that this is a very real phenomenon. The guy definitely deserves a 2nd chance, and police officers also need to be better trained in how to determine if someone who is drunk, might actually be in a sleepwalking state ( it is MUCH MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK), because(it is fairly easy if you actually LOOK for certain signs and symptoms). So yeah, you screwed up Fred, we all do, hopefully you can learn from this experience and become an even better player and person from it. I think you can and my prayers are with you and your family, I wish you all the best!!
 
He was wrong . . . plain and simple . . . I also hear it was his 2nd arrest this year . . . not good, but the first one was a misdemeanor offense . . . I would like to see the charges on this one . . . but this is really a downer for a kid I thought would eventually start @ DT in place of Holiday one day.

I agree w/ your story tho, very True stuff.
 
Should have never in that situation to begin with. If you are going to consume so much alcohol that you are going to pass out and sleep walk, just stay home.
 
Should have never in that situation to begin with. If you are going to consume so much alcohol that you are going to pass out and sleep walk, just stay home.

sooooo ur tellin me when you go out u have it preprogrammed in ur head about how many drinks ur gonna have that night? please if your out to have a good time you never know that when u first start its a feeling and it ur feeling like drinking u'll consume a little more. i would rather have someone take a cab home or walk home rather than attempting to drive their own vehicle home. Just tellin someone to lock themselves in the house because they might get to drunk is dumb and won't work because you can't lock urself up ever single day. just be smart about it and know ur limitations. Sh*t happens and well thats the the way life goes, bro.
 
sooooo ur tellin me when you go out u have it preprogrammed in ur head about how many drinks ur gonna have that night? please if your out to have a good time you never know that when u first start its a feeling and it ur feeling like drinking u'll consume a little more. i would rather have someone take a cab home or walk home rather than attempting to drive their own vehicle home. Just tellin someone to lock themselves in the house because they might get to drunk is dumb and won't work because you can't lock urself up ever single day. just be smart about it and know ur limitations. Sh*t happens and well thats the the way life goes, bro.


The kid is young and makes 6 figures and lives near South Beach . . . whoever can't understand that getting drunk is entirely possible . . . even if you are a NFL player is just not being realistic or just never knew what having fun was about. I'm not saying getting flat out drunk is cool, it isn't . . . and before the night starts . . . u don't plan on that happening . . . but it just happens . . . u are talking, dancing, drinking . . . I mean I have gotten drunk/sleepy enough to where I have pulled over on the side of 95 some early sunday mornings and got a nap in after partying in South Beach . . . I can imagine what Fred and his much bigger salary is able to accomplish down there.

This still doesn't excuse the fact that there are certain privillegaes that go along w/ being an NFL player, and certain things that Fred Evans can and can't do . . . and one of those things is getting drunk and assaulting a police officer. If he is cut from the team . . . he absolutely deserves it if what the police reports are saying are true.

Its like a music star or actor . . . there are certain things they cant do . . . they cant go to a mall by themselves . . . well they can . . . but they damn sure wouldn't get no privacy. An NFL player CANT smoke weed, can't do any kind of illegal drugs . . . and can't get into offseason trouble . . . plain and simple . . . and if they do, they face these consequences . . . these guys know this, they have meetings about this kind of stuff.
 
Just to lighten the mood on this subject my friend and I were drinking back in college. We were playing beer pong from 6pm-3am and we never left the table. Those of you who play this game know how much you consume if you're winning. Anyways we both seemed like we had drank ourselves sober and we felt fine so we were going to make something to eat. So my buddy started to toast some bagels and the next thing I know he's over at the toaster trying to pry the bagels out while they were cooking and all you see are sparks shooting out of the toaster. So me and his roomate are sitting there telling him to stop or he's going to get shocked. Luckily, for him, he didn't get electrocuted. He then moved on to making lemonade where he proceeded to try and poor two cap fulls of the lemonade mix into a gallon container, in which I think he got a teaspoon of mix into. We jokingly pointed this out to him and to prove that his lemonade was perfectly mixed he chuged about a qt of this stuff and proceeded to punch the gallon jug while declaring how great the lemonade was (One of the greates declarations I've evered beared witness to).

My friend finally passed out while his roomate and I were still watching Bachelor Party(an all time great film) when all of the sudden he arose!!!!! He hoped down from his bunk and walked over to the TV, with his eyes closed, and was just standing in front of it. His roomate and I started to tell Him to get away from the tv and he responded in a Frankenstein voice, Uhhhhhhhhh!!!!! After about 5 mins of dealing with this great conversation we had thought we finally convinced him to go to bed until his roomate heard a all to familiar silence. The roomate sat up and looked directly at me and said "Oh, no!!!!" and he ran off to the kitchen and all I could hear was "The table Joey, you couldn't walk 10 more feet to the F'n bathroom??? I'm no cleaning this up you can clean it up tomorrow.!". As you can guess my friend Joey urinated all over the kitchen table. The next morning after he awoke from his drunken slumber he called me up in the morning because him and his roomate were arguing about how the "water" got all over the table. My friend was completely convinced that the shower from the apartment above them was leaking down while the roomate was trying to tell him that he pissed on the table. So I'm sitting their, happily, listening to this argument over the phone until I hear my friend exclaim that "it's not piss, see, smell it!!!" At that point in time I guess my friend put his hand in the puddle of urine and sniffed it. So at that point I thought it was my duty to inform him, as a friend should after one makes a complete arse out of themselves, that he indeed urinated on the table. There was probably dead silence for like 30 seconds until I heard his roomate in the background dying of laughter as my friend was scrubbing his hands. This was one of the funniest cases of blacking out that i've ever witnessed before. Oh, my buddy found his way to his roomates closet later on that year and had to do a whole bunch of laundry the next day.
 
I completely agree with everything you said above, and have had my own experience when drinking meets sleepwalking.... BUT...

For a 6 figure salary, I would take up a different lifestyle. That is what I don;t understand with players. You are being paid MUCH more that you should... Much more that teachers, fireman, police officers, soldiers, some doctors etc. There are rules and regulations that go along with the GIFT you have been given.. POINT BLANK PERIOD...

If I'm wrong call me out and gimme a reason why
 
So the alcholol being a central nervous system depressant caused him to maybe fall asleep, then wake up....and act like drunk prick? Did he bite the cop because he was hungry too? Maybe the cop ates some doughnuts earlier and smelled delicious?
Alcohol decreases your inhibitions....and he screwed up bigtime with his actions, plain and simple.
Maybe he needs an 'entourage', one guy to wake him up on time each day, another to make sure he eats right, another to make sure he doesn't drink too much or sleep walk....
Sleep walking with or without alcohol consumption is one thing.... I doubt this was a sleepwalking incident that went "bad"
 
It sounds like what you call sleepwalking I call getting black-out drunk. :wink:
 
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After reading about what transpired that night, there were eerily similar circumstances that coincided with past experiences of my own. The one that stood out most was that Fred Evans took a CAB home, because the night I "walked" home, I too could have just as easily taken my car, but I didn't because driving drunk is just something so hardwired into my brain, it doesn't even take any conscious thought for me to make the decision that I simply WILL NOT DO IT! It is one of those things that for many doesn't even take any conscious thought.However, when someone is sleepwalking, ALL the rules change. These individuals almost NEVER suddenly forget their core values, morals and beliefs while in this drunken sleepwalking state, but, they will have NO COMPREHENSION whatsoever of what is going on around them at the time in which they are sleepwalking. I would be willing to bet A WHOLE LOT of money that he wasn't anywhere near as awake as he may have "seemed" at the time. Consuming large amounts of alcohol GREATLY increases one's probability of sleepwalking or behaving in a way that would make it seem like they are awake. I'd be willing to bet Evans has said he has no recollection of the incident, and you know what? I WOULD BELIEVE HIM. A few years ago after a night of heavy drinking, I passed out on my friend's couch, was told I got up an hour or so later, told my friends things that made no sense and told them I was going home, and started walking the wrong way home, even though it was a pretty short walk and one that I had walked many MANY times before. I ended up sleepwalking almost a mile into a random stranger's house similar looking to mine, thinking it was my own. Of this night, all I remember is that I was partying with my friends, and then all of a sudden like magic, I was standing in a place I had never been before wondering, "WHOA! Where the hell am I, and WHY am I being arrested". My roommate who was also a heavy drinker and would sleepwalk would also do similar things. These individuals can "appear to be quite awake", most people don't realize that. If you talk to someone who is sleepwalking, chances are pretty good that you'll get a response (though the probability of it making any sense is pretty low). I feel confident that Fred Evans had no awareness of the actions he was taking, and is probably in a state of shock that such events could have transpired. I think the best thing he could do for himself would be to vow not to drink anymore and even join a rehab program of some sort for alcoholism ( which sort of sucks for him, cuz I would also bet good money that he is not even really an alcoholic, and like me, just had ONE bad night). I wish the best for Fred Evans and would gladly serve as a witness that this is a very real phenomenon. The guy definitely deserves a 2nd chance, and police officers also need to be better trained in how to determine if someone who is drunk, might actually be in a sleepwalking state ( it is MUCH MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK), because(it is fairly easy if you actually LOOK for certain signs and symptoms). So yeah, you screwed up Fred, we all do, hopefully you can learn from this experience and become an even better player and person from it. I think you can and my prayers are with you and your family, I wish you all the best!!
im gonna have to say bull shoot unless he had some kinda pills he knew what was going on he is just a black man with pride and didn't want to be told what to do from anyone..period
 
sooooo ur tellin me when you go out u have it preprogrammed in ur head about how many drinks ur gonna have that night? please if your out to have a good time you never know that when u first start its a feeling and it ur feeling like drinking u'll consume a little more. i would rather have someone take a cab home or walk home rather than attempting to drive their own vehicle home. Just tellin someone to lock themselves in the house because they might get to drunk is dumb and won't work because you can't lock urself up ever single day. just be smart about it and know ur limitations. Sh*t happens and well thats the the way life goes, bro.
I've got a little something call self-control. Basically, if I'm out, I count the number of drinks I've had and I actually say "no" at some point. I agree that it's better to take a cab or walk rather than drive...but the best thing is not to let it happen at all. Go out, have a good time, but stay in control.
As for the not knowing when leaving the house deal...I've heard people announce plenty of time "I'm gonna get drunk tonight"...I've heard "I'm gonna go out and drink responsibly" a few times less.
 
Being blitzed out of your mind is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law, it is actually an extra reason to be punished even further.
 
Sleepwalking huh? Ya, Ill use that one every time I blackout and get into a bar fight.
 
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