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I just read an article tha the "pass rush" specialist coach (Washburn) plays a wide 9 scheme. This places the DEs out wide so they can get around the offensive tackles more easily. Wouldn't that have the result of putting more pressure on the DTs and subsequently the LBs? Will that allow everyone to run against us?
 
I think they would have a solution for that. maybe on obvious passing downs.
 
Read this thread from Eetsi to get a better idea

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?375899-Defensive-Scheme-and-personnel-fits


But, I do have my concerns no doubt about getting run on. I seem to recall (maybe Philly?) running a wide 9 a couple years ago and they were gashed with huge running lanes. Maybe it was from a lack of talent or a lack of adjustments, I'm not sure.

But for us, Jordan Phillips really needs to step up next to Suh if we want to see any kind of success
 
I'm not that worried about teams running on us a lot. Why would they when passing on us is so easy? 3rd and inches? Run it? Yeah that would work, but let's go with he sure thing....a quick slant pass for 3 yards.
 
So here we are . Need a few inches? Pass or run!
 
Our LBs better step the **** up if we are playing a wide 9.
 
I hope we are matching scheme to personnel. that would be the first in a long time
 
Yes, Philly ran in and it led to Andy Reid getting fired but i wouldn't blame that on the wide 9 (even though they were gashed). Reid hire offensive line coach, Juan Castillo to be the new DC. That didn't help either. He and (our current DL coach), Jim Washburn really butted heads that year. Washburn was calling him out in front of players calling him "Juanita". He may have been bitter that he did not get the job, IDK. Especially since he brought the wide 9 concept with him in 2011.

The Eagles tied for the NFL lead in sacks in 2011. But everything sort of went to hell the next year. Washburn had no respect for Castillo and pretty much did what he pleased, which isn't a good way to run a defense.

Washburn's Wide 9 struggled to get sacks as quarterbacks went to quicker throws. It also left gaping running lanes that resulted in the Eagles finishing 23rd in the league against the run.

They really didn't have a great defensive personnel in 2012. Jason Babin was on the down-swing and sent packing mid-season. Trent Cole didn't fare well with 3 sacks. DT's were Cullen Jenkins and Derek Landri. Fletcher Cox was a rookie as was OLB Mychal Kendricks. DeMeco Ryans was about done. There were plenty of issues that contributed to that awful 4-12 team led by Michael Vick.

The same scheme worked pretty well for the Lions for a few years when they had Suh, Fairley, Ziggy Ansah, Willie Young, DeAndre Levy & Stephen Tulloch.

I think we have more talent on our team than they had. We do have Suh after all. Their corners were not great. Ansah was nothing great as a 1st and 2nd year player. Wake and Williams compared to Ansah and Young. Tulloch and Levy were ballin' but ST is an undersized MLB and I believe he got hurt in 2013. It think it will all come down to our #2 DT....as I keep repeating (sorry).

Just like any scheme, you have to have the talent. The Lions were 16th in rushing yards allowed in 2012 (the first year of wide 9), 6th in year 2 and #1 in year 3.
 
Apparently the buzzword around the NFL for sounding like you know what you’re talking about is the phrase “wide nine.” This refers to a technique the Philadelphia Eagles have used this season, where the defensive end in a four down lineman front slides a few inches or a foot or so to the outside and sometimes will tilt towards the quarterback. It is, in short, the defensive end getting in pure position to rush the passer. It’s called a “wide nine” because the technique, i.e. the specific alignment, of defensive linemen is categorized by a numerical system often credited to Bear Bryant (and also to Bum Phillips). The “nine” technique is the one outside the tight-end.

Greg Cosell of NFL films gives a decent version of the overly glowing if not mystical analysis of the technique below. (Of course the offense has only one tight-end, so the right defensive end isn’t really even playing a nine technique at all, but such details must bow before the intrinsic coolness of calling something “THE WIDE NINE.”)

Obviously there’s no magic to this: it’s just telling your defensive ends to pin their ears back and to rush on passing downs. Indeed, moving those defensive ends out that wide opens up all manner of attendant issues, issues that the Eagles opponent’s have routinely exploited this year. Specifically, by aligning the defensive end so wide the end has farther to go to get to the quarterback and, in the clip above, the left defensive end is so focused on rushing the passer he doesn’t bother getting a jam or chip on the tight-end. Moreover, this technique (it’s a technique if anything, there is no such thing as the “wide nine defense”), obviously opens up all kinds of issues in the run game: the defensive end aligns so wide the interior offensive linemen can quickly get up to the second level defenders like the linebackers, and the defensive ends are easy marks for traps, draws and counter plays as they sprint upfield.

Further, it’s not going to happen in the pros, but if anyone tried this at the lower levels you’d see coaches immediately going to plays that option off of this single minded defender, be it the veer, the speed option, the shovel option, or even the inverted veer. All that “track stance” stuff wouldn’t do him much good, and his wide alignment would mean the other blockers would be up on the rest of the defense. (Of course, to be fair, at the lower levels it’s likely that the “wide nine” defensive end would be a total DNA freak of nature than it is in the NFL.)

Finally, I can’t believe that this is as new as people are making it out to be. I remember being at a Florida State practice in the 1990s and seeing Mickey Andrews telling his guys to use a technique on passing downs that looked a lot like the “wide nine.” Except he didn’t call it the “wide nine” or anything else fancy. He simply told his guys to take as much room as they needed and to “kick ass.”
http://smartfootball.com/defense/the-so-called-wide-nine
 
I have reviewed prior articles and comments from web sites. A very small number seem to like it and many say you must have strong DTs and LBs, or you can't stop the run. Worry level now high.
 
Nice to Mickey Andrews referenced in the above article. As a FSU fan during the Mickey Andrews years, if the NT can't clog the middle this version of the 4-3 is dead. Forgot trying to trick the wide-nine DE, clog the middle and make the offense throw over the top.

Bad news, good TE can destroy this defense if nobody can cover. See damn near every FSU Miami game during the dynasty years. DJ suddenly became very valuable.

Should be fun.
 
I don't think we will be running this alignment as a base or primary defense. Piecing together everything I have read, I expect to see several alignments depending on the situation and the opponent. Wide 9, 4-3 under, 4-3 over, etc.

I also don't expect this team to be run like it was under Joe Philbin....with the HC allowing free reign to his coordinators and being too queezy to make a change if needed. I expect the team to follow the concept Gase has laid. Scheme to the opponent and match-ups...attack weak points and compensate for their strong points.

I think we will see the wide 9 in certain situations, mainly on passing downs. 3-4 over and under on early downs depending on how our linemen evolve and also depending on per week match-ups.

Joseph has a background in the 4-3 defense and the 3-4 but with the 4-3 under, it is a bit similar to the 3-4 defense. It may help in a transition to a 3-4 if they decide to do that long term. Both can look like a 52 defense at times.

I hope they are more versatile this year and play to the strength of our personnel...depending on how that shapes up.

None of this "simplifying" the defense crap.
 
I would think they would do wide 9 in Pass situations.
 
Nice to Mickey Andrews referenced in the above article. As a FSU fan during the Mickey Andrews years, if the NT can't clog the middle this version of the 4-3 is dead. Forgot trying to trick the wide-nine DE, clog the middle and make the offense throw over the top.

Bad news, good TE can destroy this defense if nobody can cover. See damn near every FSU Miami game during the dynasty years. DJ suddenly became very valuable.

Should be fun.

This is true for every defense.

The wide 9 technique doesn't work if the DEs are selfish and care only about getting to the QB.
 
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