Im i the only 1 who thinks new orleans stopped the wildcat in the 2nd half, thats why we stopped running it and got away from the running game. as soon as they started blitizing the corners from b4 the ball being snapped, the wildcat stopped working and henneing got disperate and made ronnie throw.
Wildcat Stopped
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ChadHenne
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Hi ya'll, first post.
Anyway, the Wildcat wasn't stopped per say. They averaged probably around 4 ypc on it today, and it didn't hurt them during the game. The problem was that late in the game when still ahead, we decided to let Henne pass it more than we ran it. If we would've stuck to our strength and run the ball in the 3rd quarter, we probably would've been in a better position to win.
Anyway, the Wildcat wasn't stopped per say. They averaged probably around 4 ypc on it today, and it didn't hurt them during the game. The problem was that late in the game when still ahead, we decided to let Henne pass it more than we ran it. If we would've stuck to our strength and run the ball in the 3rd quarter, we probably would've been in a better position to win.
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I think the problem was it looked like our oline was getting dominated and letting any and all players in. How can you run? Then you cant catch a pass when its thrown to you so in all...it killed us on the defense side of the ball because we got tired there
this is the reason we lost. we don't really run the the ball that well out of regular sets.(take out the ricky run and our average is abysmal). if we can't run the cat and we can't run our of the I then we are forced to throw. that means our offense is relying on receivers that can't get open and a qb that has played 3 nfl games to get them the ball. not a recipe for success.
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Yeah because when you get stopped a few times during the game with the wildcat, you then ABANDON your entire bread and butter and just enter into a shootout with a near rookie qb? HORRIBLE play calling by Henning in the second half coupled with poor *** execution. Ever heard of running out of the "I" formation?? Hmmm does the run ALWAYS have to be out of the wildcat for us to be successful. I don't think so.
BGtoKNfor6
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That is exactly what you do. Worked like a charm to hartline. Bess is a monster at being a possession receiver on slants. Makes no sense to me.
The Saints played the wildcat better than any team we've seen this year, and I think that not having that extra option where Cobbs used to be really hurt us. It didn't seem like we ever had any intention to get Henne at wideout involved and the defense played exactly that way. On top of that, Ronnie only got 48 yards out of 16 rushes. Everyone clamoring for the run game ignores the fact that after a while, we were practically getting negative plays out of it. Our passing game was obviously hindered by having an inexperienced QB, but between Ginn and Fasano we left way too many plays on the field to expect to beat a team the caliber of the Saints. With less than three minutes to go, we were down by only 6 and we had the ball. I can only imagine what would have happened had Ginn not turned a good pass into a pick 6. That was at least seven that would have been off the board right there, putting us ahead (not to mention the momentum shift).
I remember when we were a one dimensional team trying to ride Ricky Williams to the playoffs. We saw how far that got a much more talented team, we beat enough average teams to have a winning record but missed the playoffs. Pennington was and Henne is capable of adding that second dimension, even if its only high percentage throws that move the chains, but both of them need their skill position players to do the job when their number is called.
By my count, as far as offense is concerned (we know the defense blows), Fasano's red-zone fumbles completely crippled us vs. Atlanta, Ginn's dropped game-winning pass lost the Colt's game (in addition to the other plays he could have made which he didn't), and now Ginn's drop to pick 6 and countless other drops really cost us big against New Orleans. That's three games where we had good chances spoiled by inept skill position play.
I remember when we were a one dimensional team trying to ride Ricky Williams to the playoffs. We saw how far that got a much more talented team, we beat enough average teams to have a winning record but missed the playoffs. Pennington was and Henne is capable of adding that second dimension, even if its only high percentage throws that move the chains, but both of them need their skill position players to do the job when their number is called.
By my count, as far as offense is concerned (we know the defense blows), Fasano's red-zone fumbles completely crippled us vs. Atlanta, Ginn's dropped game-winning pass lost the Colt's game (in addition to the other plays he could have made which he didn't), and now Ginn's drop to pick 6 and countless other drops really cost us big against New Orleans. That's three games where we had good chances spoiled by inept skill position play.
Rocky3535
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What up guys?....Saints fan here. Seeing the saints practice facing the wildcat this week in practice was pretty fun. I was really expecting you guys to own us with it for atleast 2 quarters because we looked really shaky defending it in practice.
My question is did we stop your "Real" Wildcat? I know your Wildcat is at its best when Ricky is put in Motion to make people stop for a split second to see who has it......but i didn't notice any of the motion wildcat plays today.
Is there a reason for this or did your coaches just not use it? I mean , when Ronnie is back there in the WC and no one is put in motion.....i could tell from sitting on my couch at home that it was clearly a run to where ever the gaurd either pulled or blocked down.......so using that split second we usually would have to use to see if Ricky or Ronnie had the ball......we knew Ronnie had it and just attacked to the Gaurd. Maybe i missed something but i refuse to say we "Stopped" your wildcat because i didn't think you gave us all of your wildcatiness.......am i wrong?
good game though guys.......you are without a doubt the BEST team we've faced all year.....hands down
My question is did we stop your "Real" Wildcat? I know your Wildcat is at its best when Ricky is put in Motion to make people stop for a split second to see who has it......but i didn't notice any of the motion wildcat plays today.
Is there a reason for this or did your coaches just not use it? I mean , when Ronnie is back there in the WC and no one is put in motion.....i could tell from sitting on my couch at home that it was clearly a run to where ever the gaurd either pulled or blocked down.......so using that split second we usually would have to use to see if Ricky or Ronnie had the ball......we knew Ronnie had it and just attacked to the Gaurd. Maybe i missed something but i refuse to say we "Stopped" your wildcat because i didn't think you gave us all of your wildcatiness.......am i wrong?
good game though guys.......you are without a doubt the BEST team we've faced all year.....hands down
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I do not want to see anyone giving Saints credit
NONE ...........Look at the replay of the game.
WE DID NOT RUN OUR REGULAR WILDCAT.
We ran a DIFFERENT wildcat. Ricky Williams was on the sideline while Ronnie Brown ran it, and vice versa. We only had 1 or 2 plays with Ricky and Ronnie ON THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME, with Ricky Williams running that fake reverse in motion.
Henning CHANGED our wildcat for some reason, and then abandoned it so Henne could throw
NONE ...........Look at the replay of the game.
WE DID NOT RUN OUR REGULAR WILDCAT.
We ran a DIFFERENT wildcat. Ricky Williams was on the sideline while Ronnie Brown ran it, and vice versa. We only had 1 or 2 plays with Ricky and Ronnie ON THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME, with Ricky Williams running that fake reverse in motion.
Henning CHANGED our wildcat for some reason, and then abandoned it so Henne could throw
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Whether they stopped it or not, we still scored 34 points and should have won.
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The WC did well considering the Saints played very well against it, and it also should have resulted in a nice pass play except ol' 80 had a case of the Ginns.
The real problem with the WC against the Saints was that they got predictable with it - sweep wide sweep wide sweep wide... stopped trying up the gut, which was picking up a minimum of four yards per attempt.
The real problem with the WC against the Saints was that they got predictable with it - sweep wide sweep wide sweep wide... stopped trying up the gut, which was picking up a minimum of four yards per attempt.