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This is a great article on the how the saints doubled teamed Welker and how they covered Moss... It is kind of long so I have posted a bit of it. To read the rest go to...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Monday-Rewind.html

Gregg Williams’ game plan

New Orleans defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is known as a pressure coach, but he called this game with coverage principles in mind — often rushing only three and dropping eight into coverage when the Pats put Brady in the shotgun on passing situations. And that’s a standard against Tom Brady and the Patriots, but what Williams played on the back end usually isn’t. Instead of dropping eight and playing Cover 2 — which most teams do against New England to play a safety over the top of Randy Moss on the numbers — Williams used man coverage principles. Most often, the Saints played a version of “Cover 1 Robber,” where FS Darren Sharper played the deep middle of the field, and either a linebacker or an extra defensive back played a “rover” position — sitting 10 yards deep in between the hashes. What this did was allow the Saints to play man coverage with outside leverage — forcing everything to the middle of the field — and allowing Mike McKenzie to pick off Brady by jumping the underneath route. Because he had the help to do it with the “rover” sitting 10 yards off of the ball.

Combo coverage on Welker

Stopping Wes Welker on third downs has been as issue for every defense this season, and I wasn’t surprised to see the Saints play Cover 7 against him when he aligned in the slot on third-and-medium situations. Cover 7 is a combo — or double — coverage on the inside slot receiver. The nickel corner plays man coverage with heavy outside leverage, knowing that the strong safety will drive on any inside breaking route. And that’s exactly what Welker is known for on third downs. It is a classic option route. Welker sees outside man, breaks his route off inside, but the Saints had a safety to drive down and make the tackle on the catch — leading to fourth down. On the night, the Pats went 4 for 12 on third downs. Good preparation and film study by New Orleans.

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It has also been reported that Welker noticed a change in how the saints covered him. And he is wondering if the Dolphins will try the same thing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bostonnew-england-patriots/post/_/id/4671642/welker-saints-gave-a-new-twist

"For me personally, that was new, that was a new little twist I saw last week," said Welker. "The Dolphins haven't shown it yet, so we'll see what happens and how the game plays out."

I wonder if the Fins will copy it. What do you think?
 
Great analysis... my sensation is that the defense led by Pasqualoni is not so aggressive, we usually play more conservative
 
With our personnel, we're better suited to put Brady on his butt rather than covering anyone with a fancy defense our DC can't seem to comprehend.
 
lol...I thought we were talking offensively. I was about to chuckle. I mean if someone kidnaps our wideouts and puts in place 6'2-4" guys that can run and catch..maybe..
 
I'd like to sede us try. Make the Pats beat us with Watson, Baker, Faulk, Maroney, Aiken and Stanbach. They still probably could but it waoul be nice to see us take mos and Welker away. Offensively the pats really struglle rushing the passer but we suck at passing so we ill probably not be ble to exploit that weakness. Unfortunately for us Ricky Williams up the middle, to th left and to the right is not a Pats weakness but our staff will tick with it because it's all thy have confidence in.
 
We can't rush only 3 cause our linebackers & safeties are lousy in coverage. Brady would pick them apart.
 
Not a chance in hell. The Saints have better players right across the park than what Miami have. We will be competitive, but collapse - again - in the 4th quarter.
 
The Saints also made EVERY tackle as soon as guys touched the ball....anyone recall last time we didnt go out and miss a bunch of tackles??? NO WAY we can replicate what the Saints did.
 
Here's what i suspect will happen:

Old man Pasqualoni will play a Base 3-4 defense with Big Paul Soliai getting swallowed on every play. Porter and Taylor on the outside will combine for 1 tackle because the Pats spread it out and take the strength of a 3-4 defense out of the play.
By half time, trailing by a dozen or so, Paul P will start blitzing Channing 'i can't get through the LOS' Crowder while Akin 'i can't cover for ****' Ayodele drops back and "covers" Wes Welker. In the meantime, we'll leave a solid rookie corner on an island with Randy Moss. Oh and Sean Smith will give up a big play.

On the offensive side of the ball, Ted Ginn will drop the only 2 passes thrown his way, Davone Bess will catch everything thrown his way (2-3 passes tops) and Ricky will run for no more than 90 yards because the Pats will stack the box.

Basically, this game will play out the same way any of our losses this year have played out.
 
The problem this is last week patriots offence had not seen it and had issues . This week having seen it and knowing it will be the same would have spend more time on beating it.

Next time they go this formation i see screens with 5 Wide on the non moss and wes welker side.2 blocking TE leading the blocking for the WR or Faulk.

the main culprit was the defence it showed that the back 7 was full 24-25yr old rookies or 2nd yr players .Only bodden is 27 and has a few years. the rest were just plain confused in the dome noise and atmosphere.all young defences will go through these games.
 
no. they wont.

ya have to hand it to the saints d-coordinator. he is the one who
basically "figured out" the best way to defend the wildcat.

and now, he is the guy who has shown the leauge how to cover
moss AND welker.

after they showed the world how to defend the wildcat, all the other
teams we faced have used that scheme to throttle the cat. and thats
smart! when you find something inovative and productive, you go with
it! no matter where it came from. its called, great coaching!! its called,
winning football!!

and unfortunately, the dolphins have neither.

NO! they wont use it. they come in thinking they are sneeky and out
smartingthe pats with the old' "well, they think we will do the same,
but we wont and we will catch them off guard"........etc........

i'm serious! i am not being sarcastic. this staff has not figured out the
basic principle of "do it untill they stop it". this would be the smart thing,
and the easiest thing to do. come in with it and see if it works as well
as it did with the saints. this is what MOST coaches would do.

they will do what they have done all year and wont vary. i think pasquolone
is a new defensive coordinator that is trying to convince everyone that he
has it dialed in and needs no help or to borrow from anyone elses scheme.

in other words, he has the defensive football version of short man complex.

and its to bad, because when you look at how this coverage was designed,
it fits real well with our players. vontae getting physical at the line and covering
in a phone booth area would be devestating on wr's.

naaa. they will play a soft zone with vontae and smith playing 10 yards off the
los all game and watch randy catch 150 plus 3 scores and 115 for welker with
2 td's and balls just sailing down field to wide open wr's and te's.
 
Here's what i suspect will happen:

Old man Pasqualoni will play a Base 3-4 defense with Big Paul Soliai getting swallowed on every play. Porter and Taylor on the outside will combine for 1 tackle because the Pats spread it out and take the strength of a 3-4 defense out of the play.
By half time, trailing by a dozen or so, Paul P will start blitzing Channing 'i can't get through the LOS' Crowder while Akin 'i can't cover for ****' Ayodele drops back and "covers" Wes Welker. In the meantime, we'll leave a solid rookie corner on an island with Randy Moss. Oh and Sean Smith will give up a big play.

On the offensive side of the ball, Ted Ginn will drop the only 2 passes thrown his way, Davone Bess will catch everything thrown his way (2-3 passes tops) and Ricky will run for no more than 90 yards because the Pats will stack the box.

Basically, this game will play out the same way any of our losses this year have played out.


That's good, I must admit. Very funny yet unfortunately realistic view of how the Miami defense plays it's games.

I had a Pats fan tell me today that he felt in the first game that if we just stuck with Henne and skipped all of the trick plays that got us into 3rd and longs, he thought we would have won. But we will stick to the trick plays that got us in the 3rd and longs, won't we?
 
I would love to see them try it, why not nothng else is working who knows lightening could strike.
 
That's good, I must admit. Very funny yet unfortunately realistic view of how the Miami defense plays it's games.

I had a Pats fan tell me today that he felt in the first game that if we just stuck with Henne and skipped all of the trick plays that got us into 3rd and longs, he thought we would have won. But we will stick to the trick plays that got us in the 3rd and longs, won't we?


Have to disagree, here is why. Until we went to the Pistol formation which really isn't a trick play we had 3 points and our offense was struggling. The Pistol ignited the offense and got us those chunk plays which resulted in a touchdown. The problem is Henning is like YES it worked now lets do it again!! The same 3 plays exact same 3! That is why it was stopped for 4-8 yard gains in the second half.
 
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