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Will the next two games decide Tua’s fate as a Dolphin?

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I’m pretty sure this is it. Tua’s audition as a franchise QB.

Pros
- insane accuracy in short to mid range.
- pre- reads, means he’s doing his homework
- plays up to the challenge. Doesn’t shrink when adversity comes calling.

Cons
- struggles in the mid to long range passing attack
- tends to throw interceptions due to unforced errors. (Fixable?, maybe)
- can’t digest a more complicated offense. To me this might be his Achilles heel. As teams learn to scheme for him, he’s going to need nuance and wrinkles to adjust. But coaches have only trusted him with bare bones playbook.


Thoughts?

To me his ceiling is a Brett Favre type of QB, prone to make boneheaded plays but a gamer anybody would want on their team

His downside is he can’t adjust and as the league figures out his tendencies, his turnover problems makes him a liability. A la Garrapolo
 
Blustar said:
- can’t digest a more complicated offense. To me this might be his Achilles heel. As teams learn to scheme for him, he’s going to need nuance and wrinkles to adjust. But coaches have only trusted him with bare bones playbook.
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What are you basing this on? Regardless of what you think about the playbook, why do you assume that Tua can't handle more?
 
Blustar said:
I’m pretty sure this is it. Tua’s audition as a franchise QB.

Pros
- insane accuracy in short to mid range.
- pre- reads, means he’s doing his homework
- plays up to the challenge. Doesn’t shrink when adversity comes calling.

Cons
- struggles in the mid to long range passing attack
- tends to throw interceptions due to unforced errors. (Fixable?, maybe)
- can’t digest a more complicated offense. To me this might be his Achilles heel. As teams learn to scheme for him, he’s going to need nuance and wrinkles to adjust. But coaches have only trusted him with bare bones playbook.


Thoughts?

To me his ceiling is a Brett Favre type of QB, prone to make boneheaded plays but a gamer anybody would want on their team

His downside is he can’t adjust and as the league figures out his tendencies, his turnover problems makes him a liability. A la Garrapolo
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I think his game management is improving rapidly
 
He's done enough to be our guy next year. But, he has an opportunity to really stick the landing by performing well in the remaining games (won't be just two).

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Here’s a thought….before we determine if we should move on from Tua, how about we give him a little time to work with a respectable offensive line and a hint of a running game?

Or I guess we can keep rolling Jesse Davis and Austin Jackson out there to let defenders get free runs at Tua and expect him to dominate.

If Flores doesn’t hire a new offensive line coach and Grier doesn’t throw money at the top available FA linemen, they should both be fired before the draft. They can’t be trusted to draft more linemen or roll into 2022 with the same starting cast of characters from 2021.
 
As his cult has always told us -- Tua needs things to be pretty much perfect all around (top shelf OL, excellent pass pro, strong run game, receivers who can get wide open etc.) and then IF he plays his best ball and develops consistency he'll be a very good QB. But he's definitely NOT the kind of prodigious talent (i.e, Rodgers) that can carry a team. Personally, I'm unsure if he's the type of player you try to build your franchise around given the obvious limitations.

On the other hand -- he's a great kid. Very dedicated. Team guy. And it would be great to see him succeed at a high level. It's just hard to replicate the talent disparity he enjoyed at 'bama in the pros.
 
BigNastyFish said:
As his cult has always told us -- Tua needs things to be pretty much perfect all around (top shelf OL, excellent pass pro, strong run game, receivers who can get wide open etc.) and then IF he plays his best ball and develops consistency he'll be a very good QB. But he's definitely NOT the kind of prodigious talent (i.e, Rodgers) that can carry a team. Personally, I'm unsure if he's the type of player you try to build your franchise around given the obvious limitations.

On the other hand -- he's a great kid. Very dedicated. Team guy. And it would be great to see him succeed at a high level. It's just hard to replicate the talent disparity he enjoyed at 'bama in the pros.
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BigNastyStrawman at it again.


But to answer OP, no I think the front office's decision is likely made up by now. I mean, it's all a guessing game, but at this stage, I'd imagine they're either prepping the offseason to get him weapons, or prepping to upgrade the QB position.

EDIT: Brett Favre though?!? Ummm no. Weirdest comparison I've seen on here.
 
TrogdorTheBurninator said:
BigNastyStrawman at it again.


But to answer OP, no I think the front office's decision is likely made up by now. I mean, it's all a guessing game, but at this stage, I'd imagine they're either prepping the offseason to get him weapons, or prepping to upgrade the QB position.

EDIT: Brett Favre though?!? Ummm no. Weirdest comparison I've seen on here.
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To be fair that’s been nasty’s stance for a while unlike some who have hopped around with differing views on the subject on the site.
 
I don't see any reason for the belief that Tua can't digest more complex offenses. He is incredibly advanced for someone who has only played a little more than a full season. I see him as so far ahead of where Brees was at the same point in his career. Any argument that Tua's ceiling is below HOF/Brees level is illogical.

And while Tua may throw the occasional bone-headed pass, I can't name a QB that doesn't. In fact, I would guess that Tua's percentage of bone-headed passes would compare favorably to the best QBs in the league.

To add some context to "plays up to the challenge. Doesn’t shrink when adversity comes calling".:


Highest career 4th Qtr Passer Rating, among active players who have started this season:
Tua Tagovailoa 108.7
Patrick Mahomes 108.3
Russell Wilson 104.9
Josh Allen 104.6
Aaron Rodgers 102.5
 
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