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It appears we went all in this year.
Unfortunately it looks like we have no cash to fill in the positions that cost us a run at the Superbowl. And are draft capital is horrible as well.
Do we have any chance for some mid-level talent?Or top tier fa lbs?
 
This is overly dire. We’re in fine cap position, and we’re nowhere near “all in.” This team would improve immensely just by getting back healthy versions of Byron Jones, Ogbah, Needham, Brandon Jones, and Trill Williams.

We could create a lot of cap space in the off-season just by restructuring a few deals and cutting Byron Jones.

We aren’t going to have room to add a star CB, but if we feel we need it, we have plenty of flexibility to create cap room for starters at ILB and TE and some depth pieces at CB and S.
 
Yeah you think no. Can we get value out of our 2nd round draft pick in either cb, rb or lb
 
allsilverdreams said:
It appears we went all in this year.
Unfortunately it looks like we have no cash to fill in the positions that cost us a run at the Superbowl. And are draft capital is horrible as well.
Do we have any chance for some mid-level talent?Or top tier fa lbs?
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We didn't go "all in" this year, we will have space next year. We don't have a 1st but we do have a 2nd and two 3rd's and it's not like the team is screaming out for players at a premium position (CB maybe if X has fell off a cliff). For me, the team needs next year will be LB, CB, TE, RB (if we don't resign any guys), LG and RT, that's it. Even LG and RT aren't dire needs, we have serviceable guys there now but could do with an upgrade but 3/5 OL are top 10 at their position. It's been a while since we have been in this position imho, we really aren't that far off.

Even this year, we just need the defence to be average, even below average not completely terrible to be a real problem in the playoffs.
 
Springveldt said:
We didn't go "all in" this year, we will have space next year. We don't have a 1st but we do have a 2nd and two 3rd's and it's not like the team is screaming out for players at a premium position (CB maybe if X has fell off a cliff). For me, the team needs next year will be LB, CB, TE, RB (if we don't resign any guys), LG and RT, that's it. Even LG and RT aren't dire needs, we have serviceable guys there now but could do with an upgrade but 3/5 OL are top 10 at their position. It's been a while since we have been in this position imho, we really aren't that far off.

Even this year, we just need the defence to be average, even below average not completely terrible to be a real problem in the playoffs.
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You named the premium position we are screaming for players at.

Xavien is looking like Father Time is hitting him. No idea what’s up with Byron’s situation. Needham tore his Achilles and is a FA.

We need are in serious need of help at CB. Depending on the health/age of X and Byron, we could need multiple of them. Sorry, but unless X is still not healthy, his trajectory is not making me feel comfortable about his future prospects at all. Are we going to see an even worse version of him next year?

Right now the only CB on the roster I’m not concerned about moving forward is Kohou. And he is best in the slot. Trill being another hidden gem is one of our best chances to save us here imo.

If we keep our line intact it’s acceptable. ILBer is def a need. But we can win with the sub-par level of play we’ve had from that group if we have to. That’s not happening if it’s the case with our CB’s.
 
Marino2.0 said:
This is overly dire. We’re in fine cap position, and we’re nowhere near “all in.” This team would improve immensely just by getting back healthy versions of Byron Jones, Ogbah, Needham, Brandon Jones, and Trill Williams.

We could create a lot of cap space in the off-season just by restructuring a few deals and cutting Byron Jones.

We aren’t going to have room to add a star CB, but if we feel we need it, we have plenty of flexibility to create cap room for starters at ILB and TE and some depth pieces at CB and S.
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😂 Fine cap position?

They are just over the cap @ 2.5 mil next season. This is WITH the projected cap increase for next season. They have 3.5 million still left this year. If they roll over the remaining money this year to next, they will have a little over 1million to spend next season.
They have 37 players under contract next season and need to sign 14 more players with 1 million dollars.
Even if they spend the minimum on those 14 players, it would cost Miami another 13 to 14 million more. Cutting Jones post June would just about get them to break even with players at the league minimum.

Holes
@ Edge with neither Ingram nor Van Ginkel signed next year. Both have graded out better than Chubb BTW.

@ LB They need ILB’s with Baker and Tindall the only LBs under contract.

@ RB No running backs under contract next season. Need 3 or 4.

@ TE Need a complete TE

@ CB/S Need help at DB/S with Rowe not under contract.

@OL Need a starting RT and depth on the Oline. Fisher is under contract next season but who knows how he will play after sitting out this year and having Achilles surgery back in 2020. In 2021, Fisher did not play well with the Colts and the Colts let him walk choosing to resign other veterans they had, he gave up 41 pressures and 7 sacks in over 800 reps that season.

Need a punter.

No quality backup QB, they will have to ride with Thompson.

Your solution is to give more guaranteed money to players by restructuring contracts? Who would you do this for? An aging Armstead who can’t play a complete season or Howard, who’s play is going in the wrong direction. Maybe give Chubb more guaranteed money on an already bad contract or maybe Hill? If they do this, they are just kicking the can down the road and then when the time comes and they need money to give Wilkins, Tua, Waddle, Holland and Phillips their 2nd contracts, they won’t have it for all of them. Maybe they would continue restructuring contacts and end up looking like the Saints?

Additionally, Grier is not going to find other GM’s that are going to magically appear and take players on bad contracts from him like Ogbah or Wilson.

They are not in FINE cap position as you stated. 😂

This is the all in team Grier has assembled.

BTW, Overly dire would be loosing Tua next season for an extended period of time and having to ride with Thompson as the starter.
 
Honeybager08 said:
😂 Fine cap position?

They are just over the cap @ 2.5 mil next season. This is WITH the projected cap increase for next season. They have 3.5 million still left this year. If they roll over the remaining money this year to next, they will have a little over 1million to spend next season.
They have 37 players under contract next season and need to sign 14 more players with 1 million dollars.
Even if they spend the minimum on those 14 players, it would cost Miami another 13 to 14 million more. Cutting Jones post June would just about get them to break even with players at the league minimum.

Holes
@ Edge with neither Ingram nor Van Ginkel signed next year. Both have graded out better than Chubb BTW.

@ LB They need ILB’s with Baker and Tindall the only LBs under contract.

@ RB No running backs under contract next season. Need 3 or 4.

@ TE Need a complete TE

@ CB/S Need help at DB/S with Rowe not under contract.

@OL Need a starting RT and depth on the Oline. Fisher is under contract next season but who knows how he will play after sitting out this year and having Achilles surgery back in 2020. In 2021, Fisher did not play well with the Colts and the Colts let him walk choosing to resign other veterans they had, he gave up 41 pressures and 7 sacks in over 800 reps that season.

Need a punter.

No quality backup QB, they will have to ride with Thompson.

Your solution is to give more guaranteed money to players by restructuring contracts? Who would you do this for? An aging Armstead who can’t play a complete season or Howard, who’s play is going in the wrong direction. Maybe give Chubb more guaranteed money on an already bad contract or maybe Hill? If they do this, they are just kicking the can down the road and then when the time comes and they need money to give Wilkins, Tua, Waddle, Holland and Phillips their 2nd contracts, they won’t have it for all of them. Maybe they would continue restructuring contacts and end up looking like the Saints?

Additionally, Grier is not going to find other GM’s that are going to magically appear and take players on bad contracts from him like Ogbah or Wilson.

They are not in FINE cap position as you stated. 😂

This is the all in team Grier has assembled.

BTW, Overly dire would be loosing Tua next season for an extended period of time and having to ride with Thompson as the starter.
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Actually we only have 35 players under contract and only 3. players that we could cut that would give us some cap space......Jones(14mill space with 4mill dead money, Crossen- about 3mill cap space no dead money and Baker who already was restructured ).......at most we'll create about 14mill after dead money by cutting Jones and Crossen but now we have 31 players under contract so we'd have 14mill and we'd need 22 players.......the cap is real and if you start to restructure contracts you'll end up in cap hell.

If the cap wasn’t real then Hill would still be in KC
 
Honeybager08 said:
😂 Fine cap position?

They are just over the cap @ 2.5 mil next season. This is WITH the projected cap increase for next season. They have 3.5 million still left this year. If they roll over the remaining money this year to next, they will have a little over 1million to spend next season.
They have 37 players under contract next season and need to sign 14 more players with 1 million dollars.
Even if they spend the minimum on those 14 players, it would cost Miami another 13 to 14 million more. Cutting Jones post June would just about get them to break even with players at the league minimum.

Holes
@ Edge with neither Ingram nor Van Ginkel signed next year. Both have graded out better than Chubb BTW.

@ LB They need ILB’s with Baker and Tindall the only LBs under contract.

@ RB No running backs under contract next season. Need 3 or 4.

@ TE Need a complete TE

@ CB/S Need help at DB/S with Rowe not under contract.

@OL Need a starting RT and depth on the Oline. Fisher is under contract next season but who knows how he will play after sitting out this year and having Achilles surgery back in 2020. In 2021, Fisher did not play well with the Colts and the Colts let him walk choosing to resign other veterans they had, he gave up 41 pressures and 7 sacks in over 800 reps that season.

Need a punter.

No quality backup QB, they will have to ride with Thompson.

Your solution is to give more guaranteed money to players by restructuring contracts? Who would you do this for? An aging Armstead who can’t play a complete season or Howard, who’s play is going in the wrong direction. Maybe give Chubb more guaranteed money on an already bad contract or maybe Hill? If they do this, they are just kicking the can down the road and then when the time comes and they need money to give Wilkins, Tua, Waddle, Holland and Phillips their 2nd contracts, they won’t have it for all of them. Maybe they would continue restructuring contacts and end up looking like the Saints?

Additionally, Grier is not going to find other GM’s that are going to magically appear and take players on bad contracts from him like Ogbah or Wilson.

They are not in FINE cap position as you stated. 😂

This is the all in team Grier has assembled.

BTW, Overly dire would be loosing Tua next season for an extended period of time and having to ride with Thompson as the starter.
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None of this is dire. A third of the league will be going into next season with less than $10 million in cap space and an incomplete roster. This happens every year.

The Dolphins could restructure Tyreek Hill, cut Byron Jones, and trade Cedrick Wilson and that alone would basically resolve all of their cap issues while leaving them plenty of space to round out the roster. In all likelihood, they’ll do a lot more than that. The majority of the “holes” you describe are going to be filled with the same $1 million minimum players you already addressed in your first paragraph, so you’re just double counting needs.

At RB, we’re going to re-sign Wilson and Mostert on minimum or near-minimum deals and draft a third RB.

At edge, we’re going to re-sign one of Ingram and Van Ginkel on a $3-4 million deal and let the other walk.

At linebacker, we probably sign one veteran cheap and draft another. Maybe bring back Riley or Roberts at the minimum.

At DB/S, we probably bring back Needham on a minimum or near-minimum deal. Trill Williams returns. Maybe we sign a veteran cheap.

At OL, Armstead, Eichenberg, Williams, Hunt, Jackson, and Jones are all under contract. We probably draft a backup swing tackle. Backup center is probably a UDFA or 6th/7th rounder. Maybe we keep Fisher around for another year.

Punter, we’ll bring back Morstead or sign a UDFA.

Our starting secondary is set. We just need depth additions on cheap deals.

TE is the only real hole where we’re going to need to spend some money, unless we address it with our second rounder.
 
Marino2.0 said:
None of this is dire. A third of the league will be going into next season with less than $10 million in cap space and an incomplete roster. This happens every year.

The Dolphins could restructure Tyreek Hill, cut Byron Jones, and trade Cedrick Wilson and that alone would basically resolve all of their cap issues while leaving them plenty of space to round out the roster. In all likelihood, they’ll do a lot more than that. The majority of the “holes” you describe are going to be filled with the same $1 million minimum players you already addressed in your first paragraph, so you’re just double counting needs.

At RB, we’re going to re-sign Wilson and Mostert on minimum or near-minimum deals and draft a third RB.

At edge, we’re going to re-sign one of Ingram and Van Ginkel on a $3-4 million deal and let the other walk.

At linebacker, we probably sign one veteran cheap and draft another. Maybe bring back Riley or Roberts at the minimum.

At DB/S, we probably bring back Needham on a minimum or near-minimum deal. Trill Williams returns. Maybe we sign a veteran cheap.

At OL, Armstead, Eichenberg, Williams, Hunt, Jackson, and Jones are all under contract. We probably draft a backup swing tackle. Backup center is probably a UDFA or 6th/7th rounder. Maybe we keep Fisher around for another year.

Punter, we’ll bring back Morstead or sign a UDFA.

Our starting secondary is set. We just need depth additions on cheap deals.

TE is the only real hole where we’re going to need to spend some money, unless we address it with our second rounder.
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I think our defense will be fine with a new D-coordinator. If we want Tua and the Dolphins to succeed, we need to continue upgrading our o-line and bring in TE's who can catch and block.
 
Marino2.0 said:
None of this is dire. A third of the league will be going into next season with less than $10 million in cap space and an incomplete roster. This happens every year.

The Dolphins could restructure Tyreek Hill, cut Byron Jones, and trade Cedrick Wilson and that alone would basically resolve all of their cap issues while leaving them plenty of space to round out the roster. In all likelihood, they’ll do a lot more than that. The majority of the “holes” you describe are going to be filled with the same $1 million minimum players you already addressed in your first paragraph, so you’re just double counting needs.

At RB, we’re going to re-sign Wilson and Mostert on minimum or near-minimum deals and draft a third RB.

At edge, we’re going to re-sign one of Ingram and Van Ginkel on a $3-4 million deal and let the other walk.

At linebacker, we probably sign one veteran cheap and draft another. Maybe bring back Riley or Roberts at the minimum.

At DB/S, we probably bring back Needham on a minimum or near-minimum deal. Trill Williams returns. Maybe we sign a veteran cheap.

At OL, Armstead, Eichenberg, Williams, Hunt, Jackson, and Jones are all under contract. We probably draft a backup swing tackle. Backup center is probably a UDFA or 6th/7th rounder. Maybe we keep Fisher around for another year.

Punter, we’ll bring back Morstead or sign a UDFA.

Our starting secondary is set. We just need depth additions on cheap deals.

TE is the only real hole where we’re going to need to spend some money, unless we address it with our second rounder.
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Mostert and Wilson are not going to sign at minimum or near minimum.

Both are right around 700 yards and 5.0 yards a carry.

James Conner and Kareem Hunt are not producing like the Dolphins backs and they are getting 7 and 6 million a season. No way the Dolphins backs accept near minimum or minimum from the Dolphins.
 
allsilverdreams said:
It appears we went all in this year.
Unfortunately it looks like we have no cash to fill in the positions that cost us a run at the Superbowl. And are draft capital is horrible as well.
Do we have any chance for some mid-level talent?Or top tier fa lbs?
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The Saints proved that the cap is monopoly money. If we want someone bad enough there's plenty of accounting gymnastics that can be done.
 
allsilverdreams said:
It appears we went all in this year.
Unfortunately it looks like we have no cash to fill in the positions that cost us a run at the Superbowl. And are draft capital is horrible as well.
Do we have any chance for some mid-level talent?Or top tier fa lbs?
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Run for the Super Bowl is still on first of all. and second, no we don’t have much cap space. In fact right now we are projected to be $2 million over. There are quite a few free agents, and there are some players we can cut, but signing big money free agents next year is probably not in the cards. Personally, I think we’d benefit more and get good bang for the buck by replacing our defensive coordinator next year and installing a scheme that doesn’t depend upon elite defensive backs which I don’t think we have any more. We have good talent on our Oline, and in other areas. We can probably add a linebacker or two in the draft and free agency, but not a big splashy expensive one.
 
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