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I've been looking at the numbers and rules for tie-breakers and our shot at the wild card doesn't look good. For the division, the tie-breaking rules are (1) HTH, (2) Div record, (3) common opponents. For the wild card the tie-breaking rules (even against teams within your own division) are (1) HTH, (2) Conf. Rec. (3) common opponents.

Assuming we do NOT win the division, we would be amongst the following teams all vying for 2 wild card spots:

Baltimore (8-4), (7-3) (w/ a head-to-head win against us)
Indy (8-4), (7-2)
Dolphins (7-5), (5-4)
NE (7-5), (5-5)

Now, assuming we win out (which MUST happen for us to have a realist shot),and assuming the Ravens, Colts and Miami tie at 11-5 (Ravens & Colts lose only 1 of their remaining games), both teams would beat us (and the Patriots, incidentally) for the final 2 playoff berths. Ravens owns the HTH tie breaker and the Colts own the better conference record (which would be 9-3 at worst, assuming their 1 loss comes against a conference opponent). Again, assuming we win out, we have a tie-breaker over the Patriots for a Wild card spot by virtue of our better conference record, but it wouldn't matter since the Ravens and Colts would take the final two spots. The Patriots are sort of irrelevant at this point for wild card purposes (though they could still win the division).

In order for us to get a wild-card spot, we need to (1) win out and (2) have either the Colts or Ravens loose 2 of their remaining games (so that we would have a better overall record of 11-5 to their 10-6).

But get this: if we win all of our remaining games (including week 17 at the Jets), we would win the division. Assuming the Jets win all of their remaining games except week 17 against us, we would have identical records: 11-5 (overall), 4-2 (div). BUT we would have the common opponent tie-breaker because we beat the Broncos and Chargers while the Jets lost to both the Broncos and Chargers (all of our other common opponents will have resulted in the same results, since we are assuming the Dolphins beat the Chiefs in week 16 in this scenario).

It would seem its actually more likely that we would win the division (and thus wind up the #3 seed hosting a playoff game) than win a wild card berth. Strange, huh?
 
as much as I would like for Miami to win the afc east i dont think Miami has the horses at wr, cb and oline to get it done.
 
Baltimore has a very tough road ahead of them, and hopefully the fact that the Jets have to fly out west twice in three weeks will affect them. As JOURNEY would say, "Don't stop believing!!!"
 
BandarBush said:
In order for us to get a wild-card spot, we need to (1) win out and (2) have either the Colts or Ravens loose 2 of their remaining games (so that we would have a better overall record of 11-5 to their 10-6).

this right here doesn't make any sense....you correctly identify that if we win out we win the division, so why include winning out in your wild card scenario??
 
Yeah it will be difficult to get in without a division title. I just am hating the Colts right now because they will most likely lock in that wildcard spot because of their weak schedule. Hopefully Baltimore starts to lose and New England also. This sunday is a huge game for Miami, and hopefully we will beat the "Toronto" Bills.
 
this right here doesn't make any sense....you correctly identify that if we win out we win the division, so why include winning out in your wild card scenario??


That's exactly the point I'm making: I find it ironic that winning out will be good enough for us to win the division, but at the same time it won't be enough to get a wild card spot. Silly NFL playoff rules!

Plus, I just wanted to lay out all of the playoff scenarios for everyone to see going into the last month of the season. :up:
 
I concur - the AFC east or nothing. Miami just doesn't have the ammo for any wildcard tiebreakers with the other contenders.

The Colts are a lock based on their sked but I'm not sold on the Ravens yet - they could easily lose a couple games still. Who wouda thunk it at the time but that early season loss to the Ravens might be what decides the last AFC wild card spot.
 
don't worry bout NE if we win out and they win out we own the better conf record. Indy has a soft schedule so they are a lock for the top wild card spot. the Ravens might just lose their next 3 games, i wouldn't worry bout them. Washington, Pittsburgh and Dallas. IMO they will lose at least two of them
 
The OP failed to realize that if we win out we are division champs no matter what anyone else does. And if we dont win out we simply arent getting in at 10-6 as a wildcard. So his title is correct, its division title or bust.
 
wrong

The OP failed to realize that if we win out we are division champs no matter what anyone else does. And if we dont win out we simply arent getting in at 10-6 as a wildcard. So his title is correct, its division title or bust.

How exactly did I fail to realize that if we win out, we win the division?

"But get this: if we win all of our remaining games (including week 17 at the Jets), we would win the division"

That was sort of the ENTIRE POINT of my post....
 
That's exactly the point I'm making: I find it ironic that winning out will be good enough for us to win the division, but at the same time it won't be enough to get a wild card spot. Silly NFL playoff rules!

Plus, I just wanted to lay out all of the playoff scenarios for everyone to see going into the last month of the season. :up:

It's not ironic . . . its not possible. We cannot win out and get a wildcard . . . we win the division if we win out.

And for us to win a wildcard . . . Indy and/or Baltimore would have lose 3 out of the last 4 . . . while we lose 1 of the last 4, but New England would have to lose 2 out of the last 4 . . . or against Buffalo. Or if both Indy and Bmore melt . . . highly unlikely . . . Pats could win out, we could lose against the Jets . . . and still be the 6 seed.

That is how u get a wildcard . . . crazy . . . but if Baltimore and Indy reach 10 wins (win 2 of 4). . . we are eliminated from Wildcard competition.
 
Bro we win out we win the Division. 3rd seed thats it forget the wildcard

I've been looking at the numbers and rules for tie-breakers and our shot at the wild card doesn't look good. For the division, the tie-breaking rules are (1) HTH, (2) Div record, (3) common opponents. For the wild card the tie-breaking rules (even against teams within your own division) are (1) HTH, (2) Conf. Rec. (3) common opponents.

Assuming we do NOT win the division, we would be amongst the following teams all vying for 2 wild card spots:

Baltimore (8-4), (7-3) (w/ a head-to-head win against us)
Indy (8-4), (7-2)
Dolphins (7-5), (5-4)
NE (7-5), (5-5)

Now, assuming we win out (which MUST happen for us to have a realist shot),and assuming the Ravens, Colts and Miami tie at 11-5 (Ravens & Colts lose only 1 of their remaining games), both teams would beat us (and the Patriots, incidentally) for the final 2 playoff berths. Ravens owns the HTH tie breaker and the Colts own the better conference record (which would be 9-3 at worst, assuming their 1 loss comes against a conference opponent). Again, assuming we win out, we have a tie-breaker over the Patriots for a Wild card spot by virtue of our better conference record, but it wouldn't matter since the Ravens and Colts would take the final two spots. The Patriots are sort of irrelevant at this point for wild card purposes (though they could still win the division).

In order for us to get a wild-card spot, we need to (1) win out and (2) have either the Colts or Ravens loose 2 of their remaining games (so that we would have a better overall record of 11-5 to their 10-6).

But get this: if we win all of our remaining games (including week 17 at the Jets), we would win the division. Assuming the Jets win all of their remaining games except week 17 against us, we would have identical records: 11-5 (overall), 4-2 (div). BUT we would have the common opponent tie-breaker because we beat the Broncos and Chargers while the Jets lost to both the Broncos and Chargers (all of our other common opponents will have resulted in the same results, since we are assuming the Dolphins beat the Chiefs in week 16 in this scenario).

It would seem its actually more likely that we would win the division (and thus wind up the #3 seed hosting a playoff game) than win a wild card berth. Strange, huh?
 
I rather win the division and have and xtra home game than get the wildcard and have to go to pittsburgh or baltimore
 
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