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Winners start in the trenches

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When the game of football is distilled to its essense, it's about one group of big men being able to knock over another group of big men. Every aspect of the game of football begins by controlling the lines of scrimmage. If your offensive line cannot pass block, you cannot pass, regardless of who your quarterback, or skill position players are. If your offensive line cannot run block, you can't run. If your defensive line cannot get consistent pressure, your secondary cannot stop the pass. Every great running back has had the aid of great linemen. You can go back decades and test this statement. Even the great Barry Sanders had guys like Lomas Brown, Bill Fralic, Jeff Hartings, and Kevin Glover blocking for him.

The Dolphins are old on the defensive line, and just bad on the offensive line. The two previous coaching staffs, enjoying autocratic control of personnel, seldom addressed either the offensive, or defensive lines with high draft picks, in nine-years of drafting under the Johnson/Wannstadt/Spielman regimes, we selected only 3 offensive, or defensive linemen with a first, or second-round pick, and the three players we selected never performed at an elite level, although the jury is still out on Vernon Carey.

Take the Steelers as an example, they have four first-round draft picks filling eight starting spots on the offensive and defensive lines. There are three first-rounders starting on the OL, one second-rounder, and one third-rounder. The primary backup is a third-rounder. The Steelers don't usually spend money in free agency, but six-years ago they spent lavishly to sign Jeff Hartings to play center.

In 2003, Priest Holmes scored 27 touchdowns, the Chiefs went 13-3, and put up nearly 500 points of offense, their offensive
line consisted of Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Will Shields and John Tait!

The Cincinnati Bengals have two top-ten draft picks playing OT. The Seahawks would not have been in the Super Bowl last year, and Shaun Alexander would not have won the rushing title if the Seahawks had not invested heavily in offensive linemen by drafting, or acquiring via free agency Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, Robbie Tobeck, etc. The Patriots have three first-round picks on the DL. They spend first-round draft picks on tight ends capable of blocking, every other year. The Jags have two first-round picks at DT. The Ravens have drafted six offensive, or defensive linemen in the last four drafts. The Jets' did the smart thing when they rebuffed calls to make a play for Reggie Bush, and instead selected two franchise offensive linemen with their first two picks in the draft, it's a move that will payoff for them in the future. There is a common denominator in play here, the most dominant teams tend to have a bunch of draft picks and money tied up in their lines.

The only player on the Dolphins' offensive line with any appreciable upside appears to be Vernon Carey, the rest are just waiting to be cut. The defensive line has more potential, but outside of Matt Roth, who is playing well in his limited minutes, there isn't another premium draft pick, or free agent in the bunch. It's not feasible for us to envision a future where the entire OL, or DL consists of All-Pros, that is unattainable, and unnecessary, two, or three premium players can substantially elevate the level of play of lesser talents. If you have DTs like John Henderson and Marcus Stroud, you can have an imposing defense regardless of who the DEs are. If Casey Hampton is your NT, you can have 7th round DEs making plays. Until we get that, we will struggle, and everyone can sit around blaming Culpepper, Mularkey, Chambers, Booker, the nonexistant linebackers, the porous secondary, etc, etc..
 
Yep--A good O line can make an average QB and RB look good. A bad O line can make a good QB and RB look bad.
 
great post!!! how did this franchise do with a grear o-line and d- line back in the day??? i think they went to 3 super bowls in a row.
 
When Robert Edwards was lost to injury the Patriot drafted Damien Woody in the first round. The Jets needed a RB and QB in this past draft and with thier first two picks the drafted OL. The Eagles need RB and WR and they pick a defensive tackle (Bunkley). Seattle desperate for WR last years draft (05) the best center (Spencer)
I always preach draft the nastiest 300+ lbs lineman in the first two rounds (offense or deefense) in a few years you will dominate both sides of the ball, runing the ball and stopping the run, protecting the QB and Pressuring the QB, are the keys to success not news to anyone. Skill position players are much better with control of the line of scrimage.
 
Great post! Its just so hard to get GOOD talent here on the oline. We've had too many make-shift lines and tried plugging in players here and there. It just doesn't work like that. We need talent. How do so many other teams in the league get the right talent in their organization and why are we struggling so badly to get the talent? Seriously, does anyone know?
 
Props on the quality post.I remind all of our members to rate the threads so the rest of our members can pick out the good ones just like this one.:D
 
Agree completely. I've been posting this for years, going back to the JJ days. Historically, consider the OL's of the Giants (80's-90's), Redskins (80's-90's); Cowboys (90's); KC (2000's); Broncos (90's-2000's); Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers of the 70's. All those teams had dominant OL's and won SB's on the backs of their dominating line. Even the Patriots have had great finesse lines that protect Brady masterfully (as they did yesterday).

Consider great defensive fronts: Bears (80's / 2000's); Ravens (2000); Giants (80's-90's); Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins (70's); Steelers (90's-2000's); Patriots (2000's). All these had great defensive front 7's that stopped the run and/or got great penetration and pressured the QB.

One of the greatest drafting mistakes in recent years was not drafting Vince Wolfork. Though Carey has been decent, Wolfork is a wrecking crew. Carey is more finesse for his size. Wolfork is a rock.

I think Jason Allen was also a mistake. He may be a decent player - but it's not like he's a Troy Polamalu or Roy Williams. I would have preferred a strong, athletic OLB (since the O-linemen at that point were not great) - like Lawson at SF.

If you watched the Eagles game yesterday you saw 7 up front players - all of whom had the athleticism, aggressiveness, and power to blow through the Cowboys O-line (which is not all that bad and had only given up 3 sacks in 3 games coming in). But, while our D is decent, it just does not seem to penetrate with force consistently.

I support Saban. But, he has to rebuild the front lines and that is where his team's strength will come.
 
PerfectFinz72 said:
Great post! Its just so hard to get GOOD talent here on the oline. We've had too many make-shift lines and tried plugging in players here and there. It just doesn't work like that. We need talent. How do so many other teams in the league get the right talent in their organization and why are we struggling so badly to get the talent? Seriously, does anyone know?

NFL coaches need to have lots of friendships and acquaintances with college coaches around the country. Saban definitely has that I hear. They can often give you a head's up on an offensive lineman who's a little "under the radar" in the draft. You can usually find a few good ones in the SEC every year. Saban needs to have excellent scouts out there looking for offensive linemen all year round.

One good lineman we shoulda, coulda taken in the 2nd round if we didn't need a QB so bad was Marcus McNeill. He's a bit taller than a prototype tackle but he's fairly quick and he has long arms like Shaquille O'Neal ... those arms are important in pass protection. He's the starting left tackle protecting Phillip Rivers this year for the Chargers as a rookie ...it's fairly rare for a rookie to start at left tackle when you have a right handed QB. The Chargers might go a long way this year because of McNeill.

He was undervalued in the draft because he had back problems in his sophomore year at Auburn. He definitely should have won the Outland Trophy his senior year instead of 6th rounder Greg Eslinger. McNeill's showing them how wrong they were now. Some people are even saying McNeill ought to be Rookie of the Year:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15691629.htm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9692135
 
UH. The Fins Defensive Line is among the best in the NFL. Any critique of them...I will ignore. otherwise, a good thread.
 
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