Worse is NOT better!

[finner]

The proof of the football product is on the field, and this version of the Miami Dolphins as constructed by Saban is a mix of crap. It’s 100% OBVIOUIS Saban has no eye for talent and seems incapable of building the positive chemistry that all good teams are comprised of. Thus, this team is a LOSER!

Sorry, but Saban gets a royal F grade from me at this point --- worse than Wanny and much worse than JJ (remember how JJ built a very solid D with guys like Zack, Jason, Gardner, Surtain, Maddison, Marion, Rodgers, etc.). Saban has built CRAP!

This team is GOING BACKWARDS and anyone who doesn’t see that is either in denial or oblivion. It would be different if there was a HUGE youth movement going on, but the roster is chock full of over-the-hill has-beens, retreads and rejects.

Ronnie may be (???) a potential star but at this point I grade him now higher than a “B†draft pick relative to him #2 pick position. Let be real, if Saban is such a personnel guru WHY didn’t he trade out of that pick and scoop up 2 or 3 other “B†grade players in the process? Saban has NOT managed the personnel process well at all --- in fact he’s failed miserably and because of that Miami is WORSE OFF because of his tenure.

Therefore I formally log my vote to either demote him to head-coach only, leaving the GM position and personnel to a real pro, or just cut him from the program completely!

 

[finner]

and...

Hey Wayne, it’s better to cut your losses NOW than keep making things WORSE!

 

[Stitches]

The proof of the football product is on the field, and this version of the Miami Dolphins as constructed by Saban is a mix of crap. It’s 100% OBVIOUIS Saban has no eye for talent and seems incapable of building the positive chemistry that all good teams are comprised of. Thus, this team is a LOSER!

Sorry, but Saban gets a royal F grade from me at this point --- worse than Wanny and much worse than JJ (remember how JJ built a very solid D with guys like Zack, Jason, Gardner, Surtain, Maddison, Marion, Rodgers, etc.). Saban has built CRAP!

This team is GOING BACKWARDS and anyone who doesn’t see that is either in denial or oblivion. It would be different if there was a HUGE youth movement going on, but the roster is chock full of over-the-hill has-beens, retreads and rejects.

Ronnie may be (???) a potential star but at this point I grade him now higher than a “B†draft pick relative to him #2 pick position. Let be real, if Saban is such a personnel guru WHY didn’t he trade out of that pick and scoop up 2 or 3 other “B†grade players in the process? Saban has NOT managed the personnel process well at all --- in fact he’s failed miserably and because of that Miami is WORSE OFF because of his tenure.

Therefore I formally log my vote to either demote him to head-coach only, leaving the GM position and personnel to a real pro, or just cut him from the program completely!

Who wanted to trade up to the # 2 pick that year? Get real, it takes two teams to trade, you can't just go up to team and be like, we're giving you our first, now give us your 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

And you said JJ built a solid D. The players you listed came over 3 drafts. You're already calling him crap, but you're not even giving him close to the same timeframe.

 

[Lee2000]

He has to have some eye for talent or he wouldn't

The proof of the football product is on the field, and this version of the Miami Dolphins as constructed by Saban is a mix of crap. It’s 100% OBVIOUIS Saban has no eye for talent and seems incapable of building the positive chemistry that all good teams are comprised of. Thus, this team is a LOSER!

Sorry, but Saban gets a royal F grade from me at this point --- worse than Wanny and much worse than JJ (remember how JJ built a very solid D with guys like Zack, Jason, Gardner, Surtain, Maddison, Marion, Rodgers, etc.). Saban has built CRAP!

This team is GOING BACKWARDS and anyone who doesn’t see that is either in denial or oblivion. It would be different if there was a HUGE youth movement going on, but the roster is chock full of over-the-hill has-beens, retreads and rejects.

Ronnie may be (???) a potential star but at this point I grade him now higher than a “B†draft pick relative to him #2 pick position. Let be real, if Saban is such a personnel guru WHY didn’t he trade out of that pick and scoop up 2 or 3 other “B†grade players in the process? Saban has NOT managed the personnel process well at all --- in fact he’s failed miserably and because of that Miami is WORSE OFF because of his tenure.

Therefore I formally log my vote to either demote him to head-coach only, leaving the GM position and personnel to a real pro, or just cut him from the program completely!

be in the position he is in to make the decision. And remember he is using Randy Mueller as well, who is very respected in the league. Brown and Allen were very good players in college. I have seen them play. The issue is the system and how to utlize their talents. Brown is a very good running back. He will learn how to run better, but he is capable and actually playing better than Cady William right now. I understand your anger and I am greatly disappointed, but am trying to be even headed about where to throw the ax so to speak.

Lee2000

 

[finner]

get real...

Yo Frisches, you get real! Saban is 100% responsible for this roster and it’s got a LONG way to go!


You think Roth is the next JT? Where are the future stars on this team??? I don’t see stars, I see black holes!



We need a BUNDLE of players, not just a few missing pieces --- and that means we need to accumulate picks and STOP accumulating cast-offs LOSERS! I’d much rather be losing with rookies and FA’s than the junk Saban has pasted together…

 

[Da 'Fins]

Saban is reeling right now but this is premature. There is no way he is worse than Wanny. Wanny left him with crap and Saban has tried to revamp it too quickly.

Saban has made three major mistakes: 1) trying to rebuild too quickly; 2) a misjudgment of talent in the draft and free agency as well as what was on the team when he came here; and 3) a failure to be a more dominant leader.

I think he needs to get severely younger. That will help him assert some real leadership (somewhat similar to JJ in Dallas). When you have veterans, you are hesitant to be too harsh or bench guys for making bad plays. But, when you have a bunch of young guys who don't know better - you can do that. Trades need to happen also. That includes JT and Zach.

 

[finner]

Saban is reeling right now but this is premature. There is no way he is worse than Wanny. Wanny left him with crap and Saban has tried to revamp it too quickly.

Saban has made three major mistakes: 1) trying to rebuild too quickly; 2) a misjudgment of talent in the draft and free agency as well as what was on the team when he came here; and 3) a failure to be a more dominant leader.

I think he needs to get severely younger. That will help him assert some real leadership (somewhat similar to JJ in Dallas). When you have veterans, you are hesitant to be too harsh or bench guys for making bad plays. But, when you have a bunch of young guys who don't know better - you can do that. Trades need to happen also. That includes JT and Zach.

I hope you’re right about Saban being better --- but right NOW, based on the product on the field, I don’t see that.

I do agree 100% Saban has tried to revamp to quickly and in the process of being hasty he’s made a LOT of mistakes --- mistakes that will take ADDITIONAL years to correct. Like I said, this team is going BACKWARDS.

Seriously, if you re-read what you posted, those 3 mistakes are HUGE! He needs to go for those 3 reasons, or at least put on “probation.â€Â

I agree with your insight, and I believe it validates my rather “aggressive†stance towards this pampas arrogant arse we’ve got running things into the ground…

 

[PhinsRock]

Worst thread this month, that's all I have to say.

 

[NYC#1finsfan]

Worst thread this month, that's all I have to say.

Reality sucks doesn't it? Finner inmo you are 100% correct. Though it is not Saban dropping passes and making mental errors, he is the one responsible for the players who are on the field playing. Even when Dallas was 1-15 they were a young bunch in a rebuilding mode. We are an OLD Team, not getting any younger whose core will not (or at least should not) be here for the turn-around, lord knows when that would be. I dump all salary and start from scratch. Even our "talented" players like McMike, Chambers are not suitable to have a team built around them while Zach & JT are too old to start the re-building process. I won't even mention that Ronnie Brown is a disappointment in my book. Yes the O-line isn't good but even after he breaks through the line of scrimmage he doesn't make enough big plays. What's that rookies name on NE, Maroney? Now he is exciting. Brown needs surrounding stars to take the spotlight off of him. Hagan......puleeeeze.:confused:

 

[finner]

Responsibility!!!

Saban is not just the head coach, he’s got 100% control over the entire TEAM, and that means he also has 100% of the responsibility, which means he is 100% accountable for the PRODUCT ON THE FIELD!

Seriously, for whatever the reason some of you believe in “Saban the Savior,†he is 100% RESPONSIBLE for the 1-6 record, the composition of the roster, the coaching staff, the personnel decisions including positional priorities (can you say OL?) and perhaps most of all --- the LEADERSHIP for the team.

OK, so here’s the grade breakdown…

1-6 record = F
Composition of Roster = D (too old, not enough young talent, etc.)
Coaching Staff = C- (and I do believe I’m being generous)
Personnel Decisions = D (Culpepper, vacuous draft etc.)
Leadership = F (uninspired and underperforming and CYA)

So, with 2 F’s, 2 D’s and a C-, Saban deserves an F in my book because he ALONE is 100% responsible/accountable for the sinking ship.

 

[westernnyphinfa]

Saban is not just the head coach, he’s got 100% control over the entire TEAM, and that means he also has 100% of the responsibility, which means he is 100% accountable for the PRODUCT ON THE FIELD!

Seriously, for whatever the reason some of you believe in “Saban the Savior,†he is 100% RESPONSIBLE for the 1-6 record, the composition of the roster, the coaching staff, the personnel decisions including positional priorities (can you say OL?) and perhaps most of all --- the LEADERSHIP for the team.

OK, so here’s the grade breakdown…

1-6 record = F
Composition of Roster = D (too old, not enough young talent, etc.)
Coaching Staff = C- (and I do believe I’m being generous)
Personnel Decisions = D (Culpepper, vacuous draft etc.)
Leadership = F (uninspired and underperforming and CYA)

So, with 2 F’s, 2 D’s and a C-, Saban deserves an F in my book because he ALONE is 100% responsible/accountable for the sinking ship.

Once I see Saban drop a very catchable pass or tip it for an int, then I will agree, but until then i disagree.

I tend to agree with a previous poster A this is the worst thread of the month.

And B Saban tried to make this a good team to quickly.

 

[NYC#1finsfan]

Once I see Saban drop a very catchable pass or tip it for an int, then I will agree, but until then i disagree.

I tend to agree with a previous poster A this is the worst thread of the month.

And B Saban tried to make this a good team to quickly.

If you have watched this team for more than this one year then you would know that the tip/dropped passes have been going on with this group for some time now. It is Saban's responsibility to line the best 12 up each and every time out.

 

[Dtronic]

The bad part about it is we have an older team that is and will get worse. Saban is the capitan of his own sinking ship.

 

[finner]

If you have watched this team for more than this one year then you would know that the tip/dropped passes have been going on with this group for some time now. It is Saban's responsibility to line the best 12 up each and every time out.

AMEN!!! (and we need 12 on the field to be competitive!) :sidelol:

 

[Hellweed]

clueless. You cant re-build a team in 2 drafts. You cant force trades in the draft.

Our "stars" all played better last year. Were you calling for them to be cut then? No. No one saw them playing as bad as they are Not me, you, the media, or Saban. It's just ignorant to say he should have seen it coming and done something more about it.