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Would you still consider Ross to be a shrewd businessman?

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I have heard many people around here exclaim that Ross must be a brilliant business mind just for the fact that he is a billionaire. However, almost everything he has done as owner of the Dophins makes him appear to be aloof and lacking business savvy.

The current Fisher situation further solidifies Ross' lack of busines acumen. Fisher is playing Ross for a fool and Ross is letting him. Ross offered Fisher more money than ANY coach in the league, plus full control of the organization. Even still, Fisher appears to be leveraging even more out of him, and Ross simply goes with it. Ross SHOULD give Fisher an ultimatum, play hardball with the guy. Instead, Ross is going along with this insanity, and setting himself up for a major disappointment and fail for the 2nd year in a row.

If Fisher chooses to take less to go to the Rams after all this, Ross will be left looking like the biggest buffoon in the NFL.

Your thoughts? Do you still consider Ross to be a good businessman?
 
If fisher chooses the Rams it's not because of a business pitch that Ross did or did not make. It's because that's where he wanted to go. You can't change a mans heart with business tactics.

If Fisher chooses the Rams Ross should come away looking no different than he was before all of this. Unfortunately inthe eyes of some fans they will blame Ross for where Fisher's heart was all along. Thus, the nature of the fickle illogical 'phin fan.
 
Yep.

But then I consider Donald Trump to be a good businessman and he's been bankrupt a number of times.

Being leveraged happens. It all depends on what the end game is. I'd be worried if he cared about how he looked
to everyone else. being scared of other people's opinions is what shows weakness to me.
 
EvilDylan said:
If fisher chooses the Rams it's not because of a business pitch that Ross did or did not make. It's because that's where he wanted to go. You can't change a mans heart with business tactics.

If Fisher chooses the Rams Ross should come away looking no different than he was before all of this. Unfortunately inthe eyes of some fans they will blame Ross for where Fisher's heart was all along. Thus, the nature of the fickle illogical 'phin fan.
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No, we would blame Ross for not realizing Fisher's heart and moving on sooner to do a proper coaching search. Instead, Ross fell into the same mistake he did with Harbaugh trying to just throw money at him to come to a place he really doesn't want to be.

Ross needs to learn that throwing the most money around doesn't work in the NFL. See: Dan Snyder.
 
very shrewd. Ross wanted Fisher, went all in, did everything the way he should've.
 
SkapePhin said:
No, we would blame Ross for not realizing Fisher's heart and moving on sooner to do a proper coaching search. Instead, Ross fell into the same mistake he did with Harbaugh trying to just throw money at him to come to a place he really doesn't want to be.

Ross needs to learn that throwing the most money around doesn't work in the NFL. See: Dan Snyder.
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Do you claim to know where Fisher's heart is? Cause if you do, then maybe you should go into the fortune telling business cause you have a talent that no human has.
 
He has identified the guy he thinks is the best guy. Not the guy that you or I necessarily think is the best guy, but the person that he and his confidants think is the best available. He's willing to offer what it takes to land the guy.

What would you rather have him do? Lowball the dude or just walk away because he's trying to apply his leverage in negotiations? If anything, that would make me think less of him. Ross is very, very wealthy. Investing an extra 1-2 million dollars per season in Fisher is relatively trivial, especially when this hire wiill have a huge impact on the success of the franchise. If it turns out to be a good hire, or even an exciting hire for the fans, he will recoup that money right away.
 
Outside the NFL yes. However with the Dolphins he is a calamity off errors, from not firing Sparano last year while testing the Cowher, Gruden, and Harbaugh waters. To his waterpark, night club, B list celeb owners, etc. although I will give him credit for the veto on Orton!

All said he needs a new advisor Peterson is a dinosaur that has never been a really success!
 
All this gratuitious piling on when Ross doesn't ante up and then again when he does!

But to answer your question by cutting to the chase: everything's relative, so compared to the great Mr Warren Buffett he may not be a "shrewd businessman" But compared to posters on a random fanboard who might be making those negative judgments, I'd suggest that it's probably a trillion times more likely that they're paying rent to one of Ross's subsidiaries than it is vice versa :idk:
 
SkapePhin said:
No, we would blame Ross for not realizing Fisher's heart and moving on sooner to do a proper coaching search. Instead, Ross fell into the same mistake he did with Harbaugh trying to just throw money at him to come to a place he really doesn't want to be.

Ross needs to learn that throwing the most money around doesn't work in the NFL. See: Dan Snyder.
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Dan Snyder is one example. A successful example would be DeBartelo who was one of the most generous and successful owners of all time.
What do you mean throwing money around in the NFL doesn't work? What works? NOT going all out for what you think is best?

What's he supposed to do?

Who's been hired so far that you covet so much?
 
Is it even fair to judge Ross on any of this? With so many false reports, I don't think we really will ever know what's been going through the minds of Fisher, Ross, Ireland, etc,
 
EvilDylan said:
Do you claim to know where Fisher's heart is? Cause if you do, then maybe you should go into the fortune telling business cause you have a talent that no human has.
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Ummm.... If he goes to St. Louis, then its obvious his heart isn't here. Just the fact that Fisher is STILL trying to make up his mind after being offered 8 mil a year + full control should be a clue enough that his heart isn't in Miami... If it were, he would have accepted by now.
 
i guess some people dont understand what shrewd is or what business is all about.

NO he is not a great negotiator, not in football, not thus far.

Even if "fisher always wanted the rams" around the league, people now know ross is weak and can be milked for excessive money and power at every turn. other owners know all he does is toss money and helicopters around and does not have any real football/business sense in football, the peterson advisor thing (while i think its ok) is another example of him just winging things and being sloppy. He barely even had an interview with FIsher yet hes giving him the world.

Lesson - when engaging in ANY kind of business, it DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT SOMETHING. i mean hell, in ANYTHING. i dont care how much you want a car, you dont walk in and say i WILL NOT BE OUTBID I WILL PAY YOU MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE PAYS ON AVERAGE FOR THIS KIND OF CAR. you do not negotiate the sale of a business by walking in and offering too much money, regardless of how much your worth - it is BAD business, it is not how u handle things.

Ross should have given and ultimatum. at least for his own selft respect and image. but he is bending over backwards.

i really am not a ross fan. he is fixated on the wrong things and he thinks he can just walk into the NFL and take over with his money alone. the celebs, the orange carpet, the club, now throwing the world at a DECENT but not the BEST coach. the guy is only being courted by 2 teams anyway.

memo to ross - you wont become an elite franchise by tossing money around. Learn the League or get out of the way and hire peterson/let ireland do it.
 
SkapePhin said:
Ummm.... If he goes to St. Louis, then its obvious his heart isn't here. Just the fact that Fisher is STILL trying to make up his mind after being offered 8 mil a year + full control should be a clue enough that his heart isn't in Miami... If it were, he would have accepted by now.
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That's not true. I left the Army even though my heart was still there. There were a number of factors that dictated I leave when I did, even though I didn't want to. It could be the same with Fisher. You don't really know, is the bottom line.
 
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