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http://www.miamifootball365.com/articles/miami-dolphins/2006/miami-dolphins-receivers220606.html

Here's an article that looks at the logjam we have behind Chambers and Booker.

I disagree with the author about Murphy and Campbell. Their performance in a padless mini-camp is being overhyped in my opinion. They may well be on the 53 man come fall but its too early for me to award them roster spots. Of course no mention of overhyped would be complete without speaking of our darling UDFA Marcus Vick. Again, another maybe............ perhaps.

I have found it interesting that a guy many of us were talking about before those two were signed and the draft happened, Fred Gibson, went through the mini-camp virtually unmentioned.

My take at this point is this

Starters- Chambers and Booker (duh!)

very likely- Hagan (as a third round pick the team will want to give him every chance to develop)

next teir- Welker, Campbell, and Murphy (all vets with history, upside, versatility, and question marks)

long looks- Aromashadu and Vick (talented but with major question marks)

long shots- Gibson, Davis, Kimble, Russell and Willis. (I think there is a good chance that when Hagan and Aromashadu sign Kimble, Davis, and/or Willis will be cut to make room for them.)
 
WRs are always tweaking ankles and hamstrings. Injuries will sort out any logjams which might occur.
 
Ohiophinphan said:
http://www.miamifootball365.com/articles/miami-dolphins/2006/miami-dolphins-receivers220606.html

Here's an article that looks at the logjam we have behind Chambers and Booker.

I disagree with the author about Murphy and Campbell. Their performance in a padless mini-camp is being overhyped in my opinion. They may well be on the 53 man come fall but its too early for me to award them roster spots. Of course no mention of overhyped would be complete without speaking of our darling UDFA Marcus Vick. Again, another maybe............ perhaps.

I have found it interesting that a guy many of us were talking about before those two were signed and the draft happened, Fred Gibson, went through the mini-camp virtually unmentioned.

My take at this point is this

Starters- Chambers and Booker (duh!)

very likely- Hagan (as a third round pick the team will want to give him every chance to develop)

next teir- Welker, Campbell, and Murphy (all vets with history, upside, versatility, and question marks)

long looks- Aromashadu and Vick (talented but with major question marks)

long shots- Gibson, Davis, Kimble, Russell and Willis. (I think there is a good chance that when Hagan and Aromashadu sign Kimble, Davis, and/or Willis will be cut to make room for them.)
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Two guys that can't be underestimated in this mix are Kelly Campbell (who put up some great numbers in Minnesota when Moss was hurt) and Devin Aromashodu (the kid has speed to burn and just needs some coaching and prodding).

I don't think Fred Gibson will make the team and I think Marcus Vick's best shot with the team is the practice squad.

One odd man out that may surprise people is Wes Welker. I love the guy and he's a solid return man, but he reminds me of Steve Tasker in Buffalo and later during his career, they tried to utilize him as a slot receiver with mixed results. Aromashodu is a pure wide receiver with experience as a kick returner and Shirdonya Mitchell is a pure corner with return experience as well. Both have blazing speed and a lot of upside. Sadly, Wes Welker is as good as he's going to get. I hope we can keep him, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get cut in the final round of cuts before the season.
 
Hmm...it seems the only ones you think are being overhyped are the players you are not too high on? What Campbell and Murphy did in mini-camp cannot be overlooked because it shows what kind of potential they have in this offense. Was there performaces overhyped? Maybe but you still can't just write it off because it was a padless mini camp. Aromashadu has a lot of potential but still has much to learn and will probably end up on the practice squad. Welker, a fan favorite, will probably make the team because of his verstatility and dependability. The others, outside of Chambers, Booker and Hagan will be fighting it out for the last two spots.
I won't include Vick in this because he is not listed solely as a WR. It will be interesting to see how is used and if he too will end up on the practice squad with Aromashadu.
 
endorPHINS72 said:
One odd man out that may surprise people is Wes Welker. I love the guy and he's a solid return man, but he reminds me of Steve Tasker in Buffalo and later during his career, they tried to utilize him as a slot receiver with mixed results. Aromashodu is a pure wide receiver with experience as a kick returner and Shirdonya Mitchell is a pure corner with return experience as well. Both have blazing speed and a lot of upside. Sadly, Wes Welker is as good as he's going to get. I hope we can keep him, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get cut in the final round of cuts before the season.
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If Welker gets cut I think it will be BEFORE the final cuts so he can have time to make it with another team. But if he is released during final cuts it will be so we can bring him back after someone is placed on IR.
 
endorPHINS72 said:
Two guys that can't be underestimated in this mix are Kelly Campbell (who put up some great numbers in Minnesota when Moss was hurt) and Devin Aromashodu (the kid has speed to burn and just needs some coaching and prodding).

I don't think Fred Gibson will make the team and I think Marcus Vick's best shot with the team is the practice squad.

One odd man out that may surprise people is Wes Welker. I love the guy and he's a solid return man, but he reminds me of Steve Tasker in Buffalo and later during his career, they tried to utilize him as a slot receiver with mixed results. Aromashodu is a pure wide receiver with experience as a kick returner and Shirdonya Mitchell is a pure corner with return experience as well. Both have blazing speed and a lot of upside. Sadly, Wes Welker is as good as he's going to get. I hope we can keep him, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get cut in the final round of cuts before the season.
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You say things that are not true... While speed is a MAJOR factor in K/O returns speed is not as important with punt returns...Which happens to be Welker's speciality...

If he's so Bad then the numbers will show it right?
2004 Punt Returns
5th in the LEAGUE
2nd in the AFC

2005 Punt returns
11th in the LEAGUE
5th in the AFC

WOW..Better than 65% of the league...and that was while he had extensive snaps at WR.

Now what they will do is replace him at the KR role... which he was still good at, but doesn't have the track speed for. For a KR guy speed is most important because he has to sprint 30 yards as quick as possible...everything after that is considered a bonus... Unless somone else shows the quickness and agility to rival welker then his spot is VERY safe...especially since he has more experience at WR than everyone thats going for his job...
 
Ohiophinphan said:
http://www.miamifootball365.com/articles/miami-dolphins/2006/miami-dolphins-receivers220606.html

Here's an article that looks at the logjam we have behind Chambers and Booker.

I disagree with the author about Murphy and Campbell. Their performance in a padless mini-camp is being overhyped in my opinion. They may well be on the 53 man come fall but its too early for me to award them roster spots. Of course no mention of overhyped would be complete without speaking of our darling UDFA Marcus Vick. Again, another maybe............ perhaps.

I have found it interesting that a guy many of us were talking about before those two were signed and the draft happened, Fred Gibson, went through the mini-camp virtually unmentioned.

My take at this point is this

Starters- Chambers and Booker (duh!)

very likely- Hagan (as a third round pick the team will want to give him every chance to develop)

next teir- Welker, Campbell, and Murphy (all vets with history, upside, versatility, and question marks)

long looks- Aromashadu and Vick (talented but with major question marks)

long shots- Gibson, Davis, Kimble, Russell and Willis. (I think there is a good chance that when Hagan and Aromashadu sign Kimble, Davis, and/or Willis will be cut to make room for them.)
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well i have to agree thats about right except maybe murphy he is a cast off and vick is a project with alot of upside i belive we keep vick for a year or two to see what he does ...:dolphins:
 
Welker is a great receiver. He reminds me very much of Steve Largent. I watched him play at Tech. If Culpepper can actually get him the ball (unlike recent QBs) he will almost always make the grab. His stature will limit him from making spectacular grabs ala Chambers but I would bet the farm that if you threw a catchable ball to each of them 100 times Welker would blow Chambers away. He's your third receiver, if not second.
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It sounds like someone is puffing the magic dragon, I like Wes, but he is no Largent, and he is not better than Chambers.

I see the Wr situation shaping up like this:

1) Chambers
2) Booker
3) Hagan
4) Cambell
5) Welker
6) Vick or Aromashadu, whomever loses this battle goes to the PS.

Gibson, Murphy, and the other UFA WRs get cut.
 
Can we please stop talking about Vick making the team - no way in hell does he get a roster spot - practice squad I'd agree but on the 53 man squad - makes no sense. Would any other team even want him on their PS? No brainer there.
As for Welker - Talent wise I think he is on the bubble as a WR and KR. BUT I do think Saban likes his attitude and hustle and he is dependable. I think he makes it because of this - he is versatile and Saban likes that - he can fill in many roles. I do think he will be PR only and backup KR. He will also be a go to as a short yardage WR. I see him making the team and used game day.
Campbell unless he screws up some how will be the #1 KR guy - he is explosive! He will also be the best deep threat WR we have - he has hooked up with Daunte more than a few times. I can see him pushing Booker at some point I think he can make that big of an impact. Remember Culpepper likes to stretch the field. This guy can make big plays. I see him as the #3 guy.
Hagan will be #4 hopefully and will see alot of action if he can show consistent hands.
I think Murphy and Aromashodu will battle for a possible 6th spot. I think they will keep 6 because at least 2 will also be their return guys. Just a guess at 6 but Campbell and Welker will both return kicks for sure.
 
Barring injury, CC, Marty, Hagan, Wes and Campbell are the 5 guys; don't see them keeping a 6th WR on the roster. Wes returns punts, Campbell returns kicks. Hagan is the developmental guy (who should actually produce some).

If there's any log jam, it's happening at the practice squad spots.

BTW, many seem to be writing Gibson off, but I think he's got just as much a chance as Aromashodu or Vick.
 
Ohiophinphan said:
http://www.miamifootball365.com/articles/miami-dolphins/2006/miami-dolphins-receivers220606.html

Here's an article that looks at the logjam we have behind Chambers and Booker.

I disagree with the author about Murphy and Campbell. Their performance in a padless mini-camp is being overhyped in my opinion. They may well be on the 53 man come fall but its too early for me to award them roster spots. Of course no mention of overhyped would be complete without speaking of our darling UDFA Marcus Vick. Again, another maybe............ perhaps.

I have found it interesting that a guy many of us were talking about before those two were signed and the draft happened, Fred Gibson, went through the mini-camp virtually unmentioned.

My take at this point is this

Starters- Chambers and Booker (duh!)

very likely- Hagan (as a third round pick the team will want to give him every chance to develop)

next teir- Welker, Campbell, and Murphy (all vets with history, upside, versatility, and question marks)

long looks- Aromashadu and Vick (talented but with major question marks)

long shots- Gibson, Davis, Kimble, Russell and Willis. (I think there is a good chance that when Hagan and Aromashadu sign Kimble, Davis, and/or Willis will be cut to make room for them.)
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I feel like a kindred spirit when you say this. This is a padless mini camp. Charles Jordan, Brian Manning, Robert Baker, Kendall Newson, JR Tolver, and Derrius Thompson all looked fantastic in shirts and underwear. What became of them? Busted out, every one of them.

What you have to understand about this new guy Frank Murphy is that this is his M.O. This is why he catches on with teams, because of his ability to look really good in mini camps.

You go see if the dude does the same thing in preseason games, and training camp when the pads come on...then we'll talk about Frank Murphy.

For now, I see absolutely no reason to put him above Devin Aromashodu. Aromashodu is looking alright, he's not catching eyes like Murphy and Campbell, but you watch what happens when the pads come on. That is when his size/speed combo will have him standing out.

Kelly Campbell I'm not sure what his M.O. is because he was a pretty consistent deep threat for Daunte during regular season games. His looking impressive doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it doesn't mean I think he'll be cut eventually either I think he's solidifying a roster spot.
 
I agree with Dorsalfin as for the top 5 WR's. I wouldn't write Gibson off either. However, I think that through teh pre-season WR's will show how valualbe they are, leading us to keep 6. I'm hoping the 6th will be Aromashodu. Welker can be PR, while Campbell and Aromashodu can handle KR duties. I'm sure Aromashodu can be a great contributer on special teams because of his speed. And I hope a guy trying to earn a spot like him, has no problem trying as hard as he can out there on special teams, because with his speed, he could be very valuable in kick coverage.
 
I love the "problem" of being so deep, believe we will have a really solid receiving core and good backups. Beauty is we now have 2-3 guys as QB's that can get them the ball. Our passing game should be rock solid this year, going along with what I believe should be a solid running game too, I would hate to be a defensive coordinator going up against us this year.

In Saban We Trust!
 
Frisches13283 said:
I agree with Dorsalfin as for the top 5 WR's. I wouldn't write Gibson off either. However, I think that through teh pre-season WR's will show how valualbe they are, leading us to keep 6. I'm hoping the 6th will be Aromashodu. Welker can be PR, while Campbell and Aromashodu can handle KR duties. I'm sure Aromashodu can be a great contributer on special teams because of his speed. And I hope a guy trying to earn a spot like him, has no problem trying as hard as he can out there on special teams, because with his speed, he could be very valuable in kick coverage.
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I love Devin Aromashodu, but right now I see he and Kelly Campbell in direct competition. Campbell's a 20 ypc deep threat with good KR abilities, and Aromashodu is a 20 ypc deep threat with good KR abilities. They are paired up in competition and I don't see us keeping 6 WRs.

Right now, Campbell is winning that competition. The veterans are impressed with him and that means a lot. That could change when the pads come on, of course...after all in 2005, Campbell lost his roster spot as a kick returner to Keenan Howry.
 
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