Yes To The Up-tempo No Huddle Offense!!!

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  1. NYC#1finsfan

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    This sounds like Deja Vu. I have been waiting for this Up Tempo/No Huddle offense for 3 years now.
     
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    You can't have this type of offense with Tannehill.

    It needs to be ball control, heavy running, play-action 30 yard strikes, and quick easy intermediate throws to move the chains.
     
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    Step one- get 'no huddle' working
    Step two - get up-tempo working
     
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    For real, how many years has this style been promised? I actually think we look WORSE with it.
     
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    Think I will have to agree, Tannehill didn't seem to function very well when we did this the last time...seemed to play better when he could huddle up and collect himself.

    Not that in certain situations where you just made a big play and got the defense reeling you couldn't run no-huddle plays to keep them reeling.

    But over all the last time we did it the defense paid dearly...games got out of hand fast...dolphins had to many 3 and outs and defense was worked down the field for long drives to many times.

    Go ball control with a good mix of run/pass, under center and shotgun - think Gase will always lean on the pass and Tannehill appears better in the shotgun.

    On the lighter side - If you had Pat Riley come over after practice and conditions these guys and wanted to run it in the 4th quarter that would be different.
     
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    We've heard this before but we've seen how 99% of the time we're snapping the ball with 1 or 2 seconds left on the play clock. We might see the wildcat before we see the up tempo.
     
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    While I agree with most of this, tbh the defense seemed to get tired after running into the field for the first drive of the game
     
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    Really? Because I can remember quite a few times when Miami switched from regular tempo to up tempo in games and it worked out in our favor.
     
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    Up- tempo no-huddle my ***, just start by being efficient in all three phases of the game.
     
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    According to reports Tannehill was never the problem with up tempo. It was others who didn't have the pkaybook down. So you base your opinion on?
     
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    Sopradically it has looked ok, but how many 3 and outs are created from not being efficient in it? And our line has never been good enough to just sit back and throw all day. Thills just coming back from injury, lets help him out with some balanced playcalling and rhythm
     
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    Where did anyone suggest that a high-tempo offense was purely passing based? There's nothing that says you can't run the ball while running at a fast pace
     
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    I want to believe
     
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    I want to believe as well...still say we should have dratlfted Rosen...he would fit this perfectly...hoping Tanny picks this up!
     
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    Learning an entire offence that resulted in many professional NFL players being purged because of the complexity sounds like it would be difficult.

    Now run it with no huddle, up tempo in your first year? No wonder it failed.

    BUT

    Tannehill has had two years to learn to playbook and understand it. He will be able to command this offence properly at the line of scrimmage unlike ever before. This team is going to look completely different than it ever has since Tannehill has gotten here. Mark my words.
     
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    NO it would not happen easily this year but Rosen could develop with it ... that being said I hope Tanny picks it up ... time will tell...
     
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    I'm excited about this offense! Not sure we're really going to do the hurry up offense, but there are a lot of reasons to believe ... such as:

    1. Ryan Tannehill
    Once the team learned Gase's offense we went on a tear, which coincided with Tannehill going on a tear that was by far the best play of his career. Essentially, Gase had tailored a system to Tannehill's strengths, and when he and the team got used to it, it brought out the best in Tannehill, throwing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more TD's than INT's after those first 5 games to learn the system. He looks like a potential candidate for comeback player of the year if he stays healthy all year and puts up numbers similar to his 2016 play after those initial 5 games.

    2. Offensive Line
    We have made bad decision after bad decision along the OL for a while now. But jettisoning Pouncey for Josh Sitton was not one of them. Sitton is a monster and a cornerstone upon which we can build a good OL. He will get injured, but less than Pouncey usually did. But while healthy, he provides a dominant pass protector and dominant run blocker ... and we haven't had either at guard since Richie Incognito left. The blossoming of Jesse Davis means we'll likely have a 2nd guard who is solid in pass protection and plus in the run game. Two good run blocking guards?!!?!?!?!? That's hard to even write! I can't wait! The healed up Larsen filling interior holes and the redshirt Isaac Asiata, provides hope for better play even after injuries. It's a projection, but I am expecting Tunsil to bounce back, and he has great talent. James is in a contract year and did OK last season, so there's hope there as well. Jesse Davis can slide over to RT if James gets injured. We can open some run lanes for Drake, who was very productive the last 4 games of the year, and put him into the secondary a lot, which bodes very well for us all.

    3. Mike Gesicki
    I'm a huge fan, and I was ecstatic we drafted him! He is a Jimmy Graham clone athletically, with speed to separate deep on seam routes, and length and leap to be untouchable high-pointing the football, meaning he is always open. And, he was the #1 TE in this class at coming down with contested catches, so, we always have an outlet and red zone threat. This should really add the neon lights to Gase's offense.
     
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    Sounds like the offense we had with Ajayi, Tanny, Landry, stills. The only thing we were missing was a line. I expect more of the same,very slow offense.
     
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    Who knows? This roster is much different than it was in 2016 when it failed. It was the first year in a scheme, and so much movement in our starting line up at oline, rb, and TE. Hopefully Gase uses it dynamicly like last year, and not stubbornly like he did the first few games of 2016.
     
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    In the past we tried to run a no huddle offense with players that didn’t know where to line up or who to block.
     
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    As previously mentioned it's been well documented that Tannehill spent too much of the play clock lining up the receivers etc not to mention the presnap penalties and missed assignments/blocks leading to unsustained drives that they made the conscious effort to huddle up and slow things down. Doesn't help that our defense was getting winded everytime they ran on to the field either.
     
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    It is also documented that Gase had to dumb down the offense for the same players to even run it slowly.
     
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    Yeah no coincidence that they've talked up the intelligence of Sitton, Wilson and Amendola.
     
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    Unless they convert consistently, this is guaranteed to wear out the D by 3rd quarter
     
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    The Fins are going to have to think outside of the box in some way. This may or may not be the advantage necessary to compete on a week to week basis.
     
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    You make a good point that there are a lot of reasons to be skeptical about this. Like you pointed out, we've heard this song before, and we keep not seeing it on the field. But there is some hope that this time may be different.

    One reason we couldn't run the hurry up effectively in previous years is that we were not good enough at converting 3rd downs and sustain drives. Without the ability to sustain drives, the hurry up puts too much stress on your own defense with less rest between defensive stands and more total defensive plays.

    But, with Gesicki, we have a guy who is always open. With a less porous OL, we have time to get the ball out on 3rd down. By adding Ballage, we have a good pass protecting back. By adding Smythe we have another TE who can block. Everything points to having enough time to throw the ball to Gesicki on 3rd down, and his size (6'6 with long arms and 41.5" vertical) he is always open. He was the best TE in this draft at coming down with contested balls, so our 3rd down conversion percentage should be significantly higher than it was with Landry on the field. Landry was sometimes open and sometimes not, and our previous OL didn't always give us time to allow him to get open. This year, we can just throw the ball up and let Gesicki go get it, even if Tannehill is under pressure.

    The hurry up may or may not happen, but it is more realistic this year than last year at least. So that's a positive at least.
     
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    Anyone knows what happen to the Patriots lightening fast tempo from a few years ago?

    Did the league put in rules that prevented teams from going that fast? Something to do with the Refs not being set to go etc?
     
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    But no huddle is effective and easier to implement
     

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