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For the purpose of this thread lets consider this the key
A+ = Best player in the league at his position
A = Top 5 player
A- = One of the better 10 or so
B = Good player. Better than avg. More than half the teams would use them as a starter. You may use + or - in B or below.
C = Avg player. Useful. Dosent kill us alot but, wouldnt be bad as a backup if the position were solid.
D= Not so good. Could definately address this position in the offseason. Player is a back up at best.
F = Has no business on the team much less in the starting lineup.

I will start with a few.
Trent Green = B
Culpepper = F
Lemon = D

Ronnie = B
Ricky = A-

Chambers = B+
Booker = B-

Carey = A

JT = A+
Crowder = C
Zach = A
Will Allen = B-

I think most everyone else falls between B and D for me. I will probably put some more up if the thread goes on and people put thoughts on others.
 
BTW I do realize Culpepper will be released in the VERY near future but, I just had to throw him in to give an F. I think he is the only player that is a QB or a starter at another position who I would give that grade to.

A few more

Daniels = C-
Traylor = B
Roth = Incomplete
Holliday = B
Porter = Newly enrolled
Bell = C
Hill = C
Shelton = B- at RG
Hadnot = C
 
Sounds like fun.

Since we don't have Green yet I don't think we can rate him but why not?

Green B
Culpepper C (But not healthy so doesn't really mean anything)
Lemon D (project player)

Brown B+
Williams B-

Shelsinger A

Chambers B+
Booker B-
Hagan C-

Martin C-
Peele C-

Carey B+
Shelton C
Hadnot B-

Holliday B+
Traylor B
Roth C

Taylor A+
Porter A
Crowder B+
Thomas A+

Will Allen B-
Daniels C+
Jason Allen C+ (Can we really tell though?)
Goodman C-

Bell C+
Hill B
 
or you posibly grade by the unit
qb corp = incomplete and has been since dan left.
rb corp = c average because ronnie hasnt impressed most outsiders yet.
te corp = c- is rader still with us and martin can he stay healthy.
wr corp = d- last season needs no explanation , plus lack of speed
oline = f- starts off sluggish to say the least need help here.
dline = a- strenght of our team except roth needs to perform better.
linbackers = c- zach is carring the squad and crowder needs to step it up .
def. backs = f- see last year no explanation needed.

special teams = f- minus is being generous they dont get turnovers and havent yet returned one for a td.

dolphin fans = b- with room for growth including the great maverick
coaches = I incomplete hopeful not a saban like expereince
owner = c- needs to have a couseling session with maverick on a couple of issues.
 
maverick50 said:
or you posibly grade by the unit
qb corp = incomplete and has been since dan left.
rb corp = c average because ronnie hasnt impressed most outsiders yet.
te corp = c- is rader still with us and martin can he stay healthy.
wr corp = d- last season needs no explanation , plus lack of speed
oline = f- starts off sluggish to say the least need help here.
dline = a- strenght of our team except roth needs to perform better.
linbackers = c- zach is carring the squad and crowder needs to step it up .
def. backs = f- see last year no explanation needed.

special teams = f- minus is being generous they dont get turnovers and havent yet returned one for a td.

dolphin fans = b- with room for growth including the great maverick
coaches = I incomplete hopeful not a saban like expereince
owner = c- needs to have a couseling session with maverick on a couple of issues.
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You have made some sense to me but c-for the linebackers I just don't agree. Yes we do have a really good D-Line but our linebackers I would give a B- and thats not including Zach, That guy plays A+++ every game . Great Player. And f- for special teams, Yea they haven't scored any touchdowns and thats a real bummer but there not that bad at worst i would myself say D+ Running back I give it a C+ well the rest i pretty much agree But this is just my opinion.
 
I also agree w/ grading the team by units instead of individuatlly.

QB - Incomplete - injury to Daunte, and a career third stringer (not trying to bash Lemon, but hey he pretty much has been that) and a no name on the roster.

RB - B+ - this is assuming Ricky is back. Some may say why not an A . . truth be told . . . Ronnie hasn't performed to an A level yet, the potential is there and I know the line has sucked . . . but he hasn't earned it yet . . . and Ricky not dependable. I love Cobbs as a change of pace guy tho.

FB - A- - Love the Sledge signing . . . a perfect fit for this offense and the potential of Eckel excites me as well, I think we are set at FB. If Sledge was younger . . this might be an A.

WR - C - I think this is a very generous grade . . . mainly because of the QB issues . . but we can't have all these dropped passes and lack of seperation problems this year. I also see a big name WR being added in the draft.

TE - D+ - I like the fact Cam went out and got a very athletic TE, but can this guy stay healthy . . . Peele is a good fit for this offense also but he is a blocking TE, but these guys dont' really do it for me . . . name wise probably deserve a D- or F, but I think Martin and Peele will do their thing in this offense.

OL - C- - With potential to improve, if not for that right side, this would be a grade lower, but with the lack of depth and experience on this team on the left side . . . the frustrations are there. But w/ an upcomming draft with a bunch of picks and Houck as the coach . . . I wanna see this grade improve.

DL - B+ - No A? Nah not w/ this inexperience on this line . . . loads of potential but we lost Kevin Carter and Traylor is old as hell. The Wright Bros have ? marks . . . and JT is a part timer on the DL.

LB - A+ - The LB core is as solid as they come . . . JT, ZT, CC and Porter . . . w/ solid backups in McCune and Pope . . . plus a potenial hybrid player in the draft. I mean this is by FAR the strongest unit of this team.

CB - B - I like our corners . . . I think we have 3 number 2's, and w/ Jason Allen moving here . . . I mean he has number one CB potential . . . our Defense will be better this year.

S - C+ - With Jason Allen not @ safety . . . we are thin as hell here and I wouldn't mind seeing a 2nd round pick safety (Merriweather?). However Bell and Hill are good, but no depth whatsoever after these 2.

Special Teams - Incomplete - We lost our returner, kicker and punter from a year ago. I mean this really worries me going into this season, which is why I am so high on Ginn because he becomes a threat right away at 2 positions of need. I hope Feeley has a good season and I hope we don't regret not keeping Jones.

Coaching - Incomplete - New coach, but I like what I am seeing so far.

Overall - C+ - We got a B+/A- defense w/ a D+/C- offense . . . maybe a bit better defense . . . maybe a bit worse offense . . . but I would rank this team like this. Still many question marks @ QB and the draft still looming . . . a bit premature . . . hopefully we can improve before the season starts.
 
WVdolphan said:
For the purpose of this thread lets consider this the key
A+ = Best player in the league at his position
A = Top 5 player
A- = One of the better 10 or so
B = Good player. Better than avg. More than half the teams would use them as a starter. You may use + or - in B or below.
C = Avg player. Useful. Dosent kill us alot but, wouldnt be bad as a backup if the position were solid.
D= Not so good. Could definately address this position in the offseason. Player is a back up at best.
F = Has no business on the team much less in the starting lineup.

I will start with a few.
Trent Green = B
Culpepper = F
Lemon = D

Ronnie = B
Ricky = A-

Chambers = B+
Booker = B-

Carey = A

JT = A+
Crowder = C
Zach = A
Will Allen = B-

I think most everyone else falls between B and D for me. I will probably put some more up if the thread goes on and people put thoughts on others.
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Let's first look at your description of the F grade.


F = Has no business on the team much less in the starting lineup.
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Then note that the only player you gave an F to was Culpepper. You even rated Cleo Lemon above Culpepper. So, was the entire point of your post to bash Culpepper?
 
QB
  • Green - B-/C+
  • Culpepper - C
RB
  • Brown - B
  • Williams - B/B+ (never know what to expect)
WR
  • (As #1 WR) Chambers - C+
  • (As #2 WR) Booker - B/B-
TE
  • Martin? - D
FB
  • Schlesinger - A
OL
  • Carey - B+
  • Toldedo - Incomplete
  • Hadnot - B-/C+
  • Shelton - B-
  • Alabi - Incomplete
DL
  • Taylor - A/A+
  • Holliday - B
  • Roth - B/B-
  • Traylor - B-
LB
  • Thomas - A
  • Crowder - B/B+
  • Porter - B+
CB
  • Daniels - C+
  • Allen - B-
  • Goodman - B-/C+
  • J. Allen - Incomplete
S
  • Hill - B
  • Bell - B-/C+
 
QB- F
WR- D
RBs (with Ricky)- A-
OL- D+
TE- D-

DEs- B
NT- B-
OLB- B+
OE- A
ILBs- A
DBs- C
 
Man, if some of these ratings applied to the real world we would've been a playoff team and not picking in the top 10
 
Kdawg954 said:
I also agree w/ grading the team by units instead of individuatlly.

QB - Incomplete - injury to Daunte, and a career third stringer (not trying to bash Lemon, but hey he pretty much has been that) and a no name on the roster.

RB - B+ - this is assuming Ricky is back. Some may say why not an A . . truth be told . . . Ronnie hasn't performed to an A level yet, the potential is there and I know the line has sucked . . . but he hasn't earned it yet . . . and Ricky not dependable. I love Cobbs as a change of pace guy tho.

FB - A- - Love the Sledge signing . . . a perfect fit for this offense and the potential of Eckel excites me as well, I think we are set at FB. If Sledge was younger . . this might be an A.

WR - C - I think this is a very generous grade . . . mainly because of the QB issues . . but we can't have all these dropped passes and lack of seperation problems this year. I also see a big name WR being added in the draft.

TE - D+ - I like the fact Cam went out and got a very athletic TE, but can this guy stay healthy . . . Peele is a good fit for this offense also but he is a blocking TE, but these guys dont' really do it for me . . . name wise probably deserve a D- or F, but I think Martin and Peele will do their thing in this offense.

OL - C- - With potential to improve, if not for that right side, this would be a grade lower, but with the lack of depth and experience on this team on the left side . . . the frustrations are there. But w/ an upcomming draft with a bunch of picks and Houck as the coach . . . I wanna see this grade improve.

DL - B+ - No A? Nah not w/ this inexperience on this line . . . loads of potential but we lost Kevin Carter and Traylor is old as hell. The Wright Bros have ? marks . . . and JT is a part timer on the DL.

LB - A+ - The LB core is as solid as they come . . . JT, ZT, CC and Porter . . . w/ solid backups in McCune and Pope . . . plus a potenial hybrid player in the draft. I mean this is by FAR the strongest unit of this team.

CB - B - I like our corners . . . I think we have 3 number 2's, and w/ Jason Allen moving here . . . I mean he has number one CB potential . . . our Defense will be better this year.

S - C+ - With Jason Allen not @ safety . . . we are thin as hell here and I wouldn't mind seeing a 2nd round pick safety (Merriweather?). However Bell and Hill are good, but no depth whatsoever after these 2.

Special Teams - Incomplete - We lost our returner, kicker and punter from a year ago. I mean this really worries me going into this season, which is why I am so high on Ginn because he becomes a threat right away at 2 positions of need. I hope Feeley has a good season and I hope we don't regret not keeping Jones.

Coaching - Incomplete - New coach, but I like what I am seeing so far.

Overall - C+ - We got a B+/A- defense w/ a D+/C- offense . . . maybe a bit better defense . . . maybe a bit worse offense . . . but I would rank this team like this. Still many question marks @ QB and the draft still looming . . . a bit premature . . . hopefully we can improve before the season starts.
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Good grades. Here are mine:

QB-Incomplete: It all depends on Culpepper but his time is running out. I think there is a good chcnae we will take a QB on the first day. I hope it is Stanton or Edwards in the second.

RB-A: If Ricky comes back then we are set. I know there are a lot of haters but Williams is awesome. Brown is also very solid. I don't think we need a RB at the draft but Mueller might be tempted to take a scat back, specialty player like Garret Wolfe with one of his later picks.

FB- B: I also like the Sledge. I think he'll have something to prove. If Eckel makes the team as well, he'll have a great mentor.

WR- B-: Chambers and Bokker don't scare a lot of teams. Both can be very good at times but Booker is slowing down and Chambers is maddeningly inconsistent. We need a wideout in the draft.

TE: B-: I'm happy with Peele and Martin has the potential to be a big part of Cam's offense. If he stays healthy he could be as productive as McMike.

OL- B-: I agree there is potential and there a lot of holes. We desperately need to fix that left side. Houck has done some good work with Carey and Hadnot but the quick turnaround that we all expected form him has been slow to develop.

DL: A-: Keeping Vonnie was essential. He had a great year and I'm hoping it wasn't just because it was a contract year. The only reason I give it an A- is because you just can't ignore how great JT was for us last year. We did lose Carter and Bowens, which are big losses. We need to draft a d-lineman.

LB- A: If JT plays more LB then this is easily an A+ grade. I really wanted A Thomas but Porter is nice.

DB- B+: We have some solid corners. I think Allen will be solid and don't forget Daniels played injured all year.

S- B-: Bell and Hill are solid but he best possible thing the Dolphins could do next week would be to draft Landry. That would make my day.

Special Teams: Incomplete: Don't forget we also lost mOrris, although he was hardly special last year. I'm worried as well.

Coaching- B+: I'll give Cameron the benefit of the doubt. We're all anxiously awaitng to see what kind of HC he'll be. I loved SD's offense last year but it featured Rivers, Gates and LT. Those are three special players.

Overall- B: So much will change by next week. Right now, we have ten picks so that's potentially a fifth of our roster changed over by the draft alone. Pretty incredible.
 
WVdolphan said:
For the purpose of this thread lets consider this the key
A+ = Best player in the league at his position
A = Top 5 player
A- = One of the better 10 or so
B = Good player. Better than avg. More than half the teams would use them as a starter. You may use + or - in B or below.
C = Avg player. Useful. Dosent kill us alot but, wouldnt be bad as a backup if the position were solid.
D= Not so good. Could definately address this position in the offseason. Player is a back up at best.
F = Has no business on the team much less in the starting lineup.

Ricky = A-
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What? A-???????

Ricky before he came to the Fins = B

Ricky the year he tore it up = A

Ricky the year he quit = U - Unsatisfactory or "F"

Ricky the year he popped positive = "F"

Ricky in CFL = C-

Riicky this year = Projected C+

Ricky overall = "C"
 
QB-C: Culpepper's injury woes raise a questionmark big enough to fill Dolphins Stadium. Pretty much everyone outside of the Dolphins franchise is writing him off and they've got ammo. Lemon was subpar as a starter and that's about it. Bringing in an elite franchise QB like Brady Quinn could boost this grade a level and a half. Trent Green maybe just a half a level.

RB-A-: Presuming Ricky returns and Ronnie stays healthy we will have a two headed beast again and they'll need to carry the offense. But after those two we lack a bit with depth now that stud STer Morris is gone. But you can find ok RB's pretty much anywhere these days.

FB- A-: We have a true tough road-grader at FB with Cory. The guy is a true Pro Bowler who is like Zach Thomas on offense. And provided we keep him, Eckel is next in line.

WR- C+: Chambers had one of the worst off years a WR could have. He still has the ability to perform at a Pro Bowl level but is wildly inconsistent as a #1 WR. Booker played solidly and showed strides of his own Pro Bowl year but he's aging and at best a great #3. Hagan's learning but has a while to go and the rest are projects. Definitely could use a stud WR in the 1st or 2nd rounds like Ginn, Sidney Rice (who could take over a #1 role), or Steve Smith.

TE: C-: Lack of proven talent here but the guys we have do seem to show some upside. Anything close to McMike's numbers from Peelle and Martin combined would be a welcome surprise. Could make us look at TE in the draft like Miller or Patrick in the later rounds.

OL- C+: The right side is pretty solid and at this rate Carey could turn into a Pro Bowl RT if he keeps it up. It's the left side that brings this grade down. But a LT in the draft like Staley, Brown could alleviate things and also if Toledo wins the job (ok, personal bias but still). We have shored up depth but we need starters.

DL: A+: Vonnie, JT, and Traylor are the linchpins of this unit and Roth is coming soon. Depth is a bit of an issue especially at NT. I wonder if we could have Vickerson as DE rather than at DT considering our numbers at the position We have enough 4-3 DT's in Wright and Evans but we need a true run-stuffing NT like Soliai.

LB- A+: We have a dependable tackler in Zach, a playmaker in Porter, a do-it-all guy in Crowder, and solid depth with Pope. JT also makes this group so much better. Could use a little more depth but that can be easily remedied after June 1st cuts. I'd also love to see Zak DeOssie here to 1. Tick off Belichick by stealing his long-coveted and long-associated protege and 2. have a guy who plays like Zach but with size.

DB- C: Average group gets an average grade. Will Allen is a good #2 corner but he's no shutdown guy you want to have at #1. Daniels and Goodman are better off at nickel and dime because of their shortcomings. When Michael Lehan is on the roster, you know something is wrong. Jason Allen is an unknown especially when it comes to seeing if he can cover the elite or speedy WR's of the league. Not much help available in the draft unless we use a 2nd/3rd on Aaron Ross or hope a team cuts their top corner in a salary move.

S- A-: Bell and Hill are solid enough and this unit is the best in the secondary. Hill made some key turnovers and likewise for Bell but they aren't dependable every-game guys. Allen would be nice depth if he remains a backup. Worrell and Tillman are pretty good backups also. There are a few top safeties but I'd hope we use our 1st rounder for someone who can help the offense.

Special Teams: B+: We lost a good punter in Donnie Jones who really helped the defense out in terms of the field position battle we've had in the beginning of the season. We may have to find some journeyman punter now. But since we do have some quality ST guys (which would be better with Keith Adams) and Feely's a better FG kicker, this is a much better group than it looks like.

Coaching- A-: Cameron inherited a team on the mend. But he's mostly doing all the right things like adjusting to the team at hand, getting to know the players, saying all the right things, setting up a plan, etc. He's also taken a firm hand in our draft process by intensely analyzing Brady Quinn (if he were to actually draft him, you can knock off that minus sign).

Management- A-: Got a real steal with the Welker trade and a nice sign with Porter but I thought they should've re-signed Jones considering the value and price. It remains to be seen what they do in the draft and June 1st cuts as we haven't made the moves in FA to fix our holes yet (though not all of it is the FO's fault). There's still a lotta work to be done and a lot of opportunities.

Overall- B: Looks like another year that the defense has to carry the offense. But the offense should be better than last year's with or without Culpepper.
 
maverick50 said:
or you posibly grade by the unit
qb corp = incomplete and has been since dan left.
rb corp = c average because ronnie hasnt impressed most outsiders yet.
te corp = c- is rader still with us and martin can he stay healthy.
wr corp = d- last season needs no explanation , plus lack of speed
oline = f- starts off sluggish to say the least need help here.
dline = a- strenght of our team except roth needs to perform better.
linbackers = c- zach is carring the squad and crowder needs to step it up .
def. backs = f- see last year no explanation needed.

special teams = f- minus is being generous they dont get turnovers and havent yet returned one for a td.

dolphin fans = b- with room for growth including the great maverick
coaches = I incomplete hopeful not a saban like expereince
owner = c- needs to have a couseling session with maverick on a couple of issues.
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How can you possibly give our LB core a C- its atleast top 5 in the league(on paper) and potentialy the best. And crowder is playing out of position hes a MLB at heart but since we have Zach we put him at OLB and he plays the position like a MLB(alot of tackles, little sacks) and he had over 100 tackles last season if i recall.

And roth needs to preform better...he hasn't even started yet and when he was in last year he was always in the backfield causing mayhem
 
Trowa said:
Let's first look at your description of the F grade.




Then note that the only player you gave an F to was Culpepper. You even rated Cleo Lemon above Culpepper. So, was the entire point of your post to bash Culpepper?
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HAHA At least half of the motivation.
It does seem like a few people are having some fun with it though. I thought it would be interesting to find out exactly how most people felt about other positions. I have had some things I thought would be the case not be and a few I suspected would be something, are. Crowder is overrated and Ricky is underrated. Im still waiting to see some votes on a few others.
 
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