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Your opinion: Do you see Miami making a trade before the deadline for a WR?

LikeUntoGod said:
I think you should bite the bullet now and change your ID from "Marshall-Law"......................to almost anything else.

P.S. Make your new Madden ID, "60MinuteMan". Then when the new Madden comes out, get into a online franchise league, pick the Dolphins as your team and try to trade a 1st for Mike Wallace.
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MADDEN is for idiots.
 
ckparrothead said:
If you skim through Green Bay Packers articles you may find a small note that talks about the coaches being potentially interested in using James Jones as trade bait, because Randall Cobb is developing well and they still have Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson, not to mention Donald Driver, and they have all those tight ends they are really high on as well. There are too many mouths to feed in the offense and they think they can get a good price for Jones because he's got 2 years left on his deal at a very reasonable $2.8 million per year.

You could see the Dolphins make a play for him. The big knock on him is that he drops a fair number of balls. He's dropped a pass for every 5.5 he's caught, since 2008. That's even a little bit more than Brandon Marshall. But he's also consistently made plays catching balls that were VERY tough to haul in, so he's one of those highlight/lowlight types that way. He runs really well, extremely physical player that can consistently create separation in man coverage. I think it may be worth it to pursue him.

But of course everyone's going to have eyes bigger than their head and not want to acquire any receiver unless he's the next Calvin Johnson or that caliber. As if guys like Legedu Naanee, Rishard Matthews or B.J. Cunningham have proven anything in this league. Also people have to understand that both Hartline and Bess are holdovers from a previous offense and there's a good chance when you get right down to it one of the two isn't well suited for this offense (my opinion is Bess). OchoCinco is here for one year, if that.

James Jones is only 28 years old.
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I don't think the Dolphins trade for anybody but ck touches on something that I think may be on the Dolphins radar and that's the Packers WR corp. Not so much James Jones and while Jones is a good route runner, knows the offense and has size and speed he also drops a lot of passes which is why he keeps moving down the depth chart. They have another kid that a lot of Packer fans talk about. He was on their practice squad last year, I believe he was an undrafted free agent out of South Carolina and his name is Tori Gurley. Fans seem to love this kid and if the Packers don't put him on the 53 we'll have a good opportunity to snag him. He's already familiar with the offense and he knows Philbin.
 
I would be suprised if we go into the season with the WR crew we have. Dont know if we gain another one by trade or the wire but Ican see us getting another reciever. That group is just WAY too weak...
 
IMO I say no.

There was alot of FA 2nd/3rd tier WR's on the market and we scooped up Naanee. Unless me make a blockbuster trade for a top tier WR it wouldn't be worth it. Not to mention there isin't many 2nd/3rd tier WR's worth trading for that would be a upgrade over Hartline/Bess/Ocho/Naanee.

So it's basically top tier WR or bust. With that said, don't see us shipping over two first and a third for say Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe
 
i guess i would b real shocked to see us trade for a wr unless it was a 5th or 7th round pick .there will be some players cut in the next few months perhaps because of the numbers game or they just did not fit the teams system.or they were not performing enough to keep their salary on the teams cap.with this said i do not see us making any big splash but perhaps a few drops here and there
 
datruth55 said:
I don't think the Dolphins trade for anybody but ck touches on something that I think may be on the Dolphins radar and that's the Packers WR corp. Not so much James Jones and while Jones is a good route runner, knows the offense and has size and speed he also drops a lot of passes which is why he keeps moving down the depth chart. They have another kid that a lot of Packer fans talk about. He was on their practice squad last year, I believe he was an undrafted free agent out of South Carolina and his name is Tori Gurley. Fans seem to love this kid and if the Packers don't put him on the 53 we'll have a good opportunity to snag him. He's already familiar with the offense and he knows Philbin.
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Gurley is a guy that I believe Jeff Ireland showed interest in last year as well. I could see the Dolphins being buyers on him if he's cut. But keep in mind part of this James Jones rumor is because the Packers also like Gurley and would like to find a way to keep him.

As for the drops, there's no denying that drops are a part of James Jones' history. However, I think people might be surprised exactly where those drops fit within the context of other wide receivers. Simple fact of the matter is if you look down the list of receivers with the most drops this year, you'll find a list of guys you'd probably love to get your hands on drops or no. This year's list includes Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Greg Little and Dwayne Bowe.

The last two seasons James Jones has caught 100 passes and dropped 14 balls. That's a drop for every 7.14 catches. Roddy White over the same time period is at 8.69x. Brandon Marshall was at 6.19x over 2010-2011. Wes Welker was at 8.07x over the two years. Victor Cruz was at 7.92x however that's just 2011 because he didn't catch anything in 2010. Greg Little was at 4.36x, and again that's just 2011 because he wasn't in the NFL in 2010. Dwayne Bowe is at 8.50x for the two years.

Larry Fitzgerald is the most ridiculous I've seen with only 6 drops in 170 catches 2010-2011 which equates to 28.33x. DeSean Jackson on the other hand is probably the dropsiest of the guys considered to be excellent receivers, having dropped a ball for every 5.10 catches in 2010 and 2011.

Chad OchoCinco dropped one for every 9.22 catches over 2010 and 2011. Brian Hartline dropped one for every 7.09 catches in 2010 and 2011. Davone Bess dropped one for every 11.91 catches.

Essentially yes James Jones drops the ball, but so do a lot of other premium wide receivers, and technically Brian Hartline (who isn't much noted for drops) has dropped the football at an even higher rate the last two seasons than Jones.

I'd be interested in knowing Joe Philbin's opinion of Jones. To be honest, I found it interesting that it seemed like until this year, James Jones was higher in the rotation and pecking order than Jordy Nelson. I mean, Nelson got more snaps overall than Jones in 2010, but Jones had more pass snaps (530 to 433) so Jones was more the pass catching specialist while Nelson was more the guy you could bring in and have run block for you. Jones also had 98 passes thrown his way to Nelson's 89 passes.

Jordy Nelson was only drafted one year after James Jones. Jones was drafted in 2007 and Nelson in 2008. Fast forward to 2010, Jones was higher in the pecking order as a receiver. He had to have been showing the coaches something in practice. I think where Nelson permanently surpassed Jones was in the 2010 Super Bowl when he caught 8 balls for 140 yards and a TD. He'd only caught 45 balls for 582 yards and 2 TDs during the 2010 regular season, whereas James Jones had caught 50 balls for 692 yards and 5 TDs.

So again, I would love to know Philbin's opinion of Jones. It only became apparent to Joe that Jordy Nelson had surpassed James about one year ago, and Jordy has become one of the very best WRs in the league. He's caught 20 TDs over the ast 3 seasons. Very possible Philbin might be feeling that if James Jones didn't have a Greg Jennings and a Jordy Nelson in front of him, he might be a genuine 1000 yard type receiver.
 
I personally like looking at yards per attempt and yards per pass snap, targets per pass snap, stuff like that.

Consistently the past two years, Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings have averaged about 20% target rate on targets per pass snap. James Jones was only at 15% this year, with both Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings established ahead of him. Toss in Jermichael Finley as he was healthy and he had a good 17% target rate. As a result, Jones averaged 1.72 yards per pass snap. That's 651 yards and 7 TDs on 376 pass snaps, on 56 targets.

But the thing is, he was averaging 11.625 yards per target. If he'd been targeted at 20% like a starter in that offense, at that rate you're looking at a 52 catch, 874 yard and 9 TD season...and that's still at only 376 pass snaps. If he had the 535 pass snaps that Brandon Marshall had, you're projecting more like a 75 catch, 1244 yard, 13 TD season.

That's not saying that is exactly what James Jones would have done in Miami, I'm just saying that's how well he performed there in Green Bay in 2011. A guy can have that kind of season for real one place, get traded to another team, and play like crap. It can and has happened.

I'm just trying to contextualize exactly how good James Jones was in 2011, considering he was like #3 or #4 down the list of receiving options on any given pass play.

You just have to see beyond the drops he had in 2011. I tend not to care when you've got more touchdowns (7) than drops (6). I think that's something we can all agree on, no?
 
ckparrothead said:
If you skim through Green Bay Packers articles you may find a small note that talks about the coaches being potentially interested in using James Jones as trade bait, because Randall Cobb is developing well and they still have Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson, not to mention Donald Driver, and they have all those tight ends they are really high on as well. There are too many mouths to feed in the offense and they think they can get a good price for Jones because he's got 2 years left on his deal at a very reasonable $2.8 million per year.

You could see the Dolphins make a play for him. The big knock on him is that he drops a fair number of balls. He's dropped a pass for every 5.5 he's caught, since 2008. That's even a little bit more than Brandon Marshall. But he's also consistently made plays catching balls that were VERY tough to haul in, so he's one of those highlight/lowlight types that way. He runs really well, extremely physical player that can consistently create separation in man coverage. I think it may be worth it to pursue him.

But of course everyone's going to have eyes bigger than their head and not want to acquire any receiver unless he's the next Calvin Johnson or that caliber. As if guys like Legedu Naanee, Rishard Matthews or B.J. Cunningham have proven anything in this league. Also people have to understand that both Hartline and Bess are holdovers from a previous offense and there's a good chance when you get right down to it one of the two isn't well suited for this offense (my opinion is Bess). OchoCinco is here for one year, if that.

James Jones is only 28 years old.
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I think the real reason the Packers are looking to trade Jones is because Tori Gurley is better than he is. Gurley was a practice squad star last year. I think the Packers are well aware that Philbin is as acquainted with Tori Gurley as any body. If they try to hide Gurley on the practice squad again, Philbin will pounce.

It won't be easy for the Packers to keep 6 WR's seeing as how they are keeping 4 TE's, and probably won't budge on that.

I really don't understand the favor that James Jones has with fans and media. He brings nothing of note to the table, and I mean nothing. He is as mediocre as they come, and with the drops, I would even call him bad. I wouldn't give a 7th for him.

I would give a 6th right now for Tori Gurley, which is, by the way, where I wanted to draft him two years ago, but we had to trade up for AJ Edds.
 
IDK about a trade for a #1 Wr i truly dobelieve the coaching staff likes what they have for now. we'll let it play out in camp and they'll add somone if they deem it necessary at that point in my oppinion.
 
Now hear this ... BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD IT 100 TIMES ... Ireland is building through the draft & he is in charge!! That is All!! lol

You already know Ireland will not be trading. He will be picking through the bargain bin after final cuts.

About the only way a trade could happen & its an outside chance ... if someone offered Ireland a good deal ... he might do the trade. We haven't seen one yet!!
 
What is a # 1 receiver? who was greenbay # 1 they are getting the football to whom ever is open, Clyde gates is fast enough to get down field, or are you looking for a name? I say no they won't make a trade.
 
I'd rather go into the season with what we have than get a name

We do have a lot of questions at receiver but if we have learned anything as fans and "junior" GMs over the last few years - just getting the "best available" at any given position doesn't mean it will meet your needs or be a good deal.

I hope that we all give the FO time to develop talent and shop rather than forcing a deal and mortgaging our future.
 
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