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Your Surprise Pick for Miami?

Yup. Corners can really dictate how an offense can even attack a defense. Great CB's tend to shut down great WR's of the equivalent talent level, more often than not.

There is no substitute for having great CB play. You can't hide bad corners. Those guys are literally out there all by themselves and it requires a lot of mental toughness.
Also, just from a supply and demand concept there are fewer quality corners than receivers.

Every year it seems like there are five good receivers coming out of the draft for every good corner.
 
Also, just from a supply and demand concept there are fewer quality corners than receivers.

Every year it seems like there are five good receivers coming out of the draft for every good corner.

Because playing defense SUCKS now a days, professionally. I am sure it’s still fun at the HS level.
 
I think Coleman will drop further than expected. Not sure he makes it to 55, but separation/speed isn't his thing.

But he is essentially always open with his ability to play above the rim. Does fit what Miami needs.
Coleman will fall and whoever takes him will get a good player.

He is in no way a round 1 pick. If he slid to the 3rd or 4th, he's good value there.
 
In most draft cycles, we as fans have a pretty good idea who Miami is going to take. Usually, all we have to do is look at the 22 starters and see where the holes are.

Guard is a pretty glaring weakness, but Grier could wait until round two. Defense tackle may no longer be a huge need with so many signings there. A third wide receiver? A safety? A quarterback?

So, what is a surprise pick you can see at 21, or perhaps with a trade down?

I'm going with Nate Wiggins or Cooper Dejean. Pittsburgh might take one, and Miami the other.

Why corner? Ramsey and Fuller are both 30. Smith is unproven. More importantly, these are potentially really good players at a premium position and Grier has always put a huge emphasis on the secondary.

Wiggins has rare speed and athleticism, covering a lot of ground. Despite being on the smaller side (weight-wise), he is competitive.

Dejean fits the good football player description, gives you the versatility of being able to play safety, and is a really good special teams contributor.

Your surprise pick?
Trading up for a QB.
I just looked for the most unlikely thing that could happen and there it was. - LOL
 
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We signed the 4th BEST Corner in the NFL from 2023.

We also have Kohou and Needam returning. And Ramsey.

You all keep telling everyone who will listen that Cam ****ing Smith isn't a bust, so where does he fit in next year. Damn it, if you want another Corner, I want production from our only 1st or 2nd round pick we've drafted in the last 1,000+ days. Becuase below is how I see the depth chart. Tell me where I'm wrong.

DB1 - Ramsey
DB2 - Fuller
Nickle - Kohou & Needham
Reserve - Cam Smith & this new Rookie

Point #2 - if Corner play is so important and we've had pro-bowl corner tandems multiple times over the last 3 decades, where the **** are all of our Trophies? Banners ever?
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An outlier opinion for sure but here goes ...
I would be surprised if the first pick is OL. I know the argument and I agree we need a solid line for multiple reasons ... first and foremost to protect Tua and give him a couple more beats in the pocket. But we did ok as a team last season even with the injuries and inconsistencies on the line. We have addressed it and along with an off-season of rehab our OL should be better... not good enough but better.

The offense has issues coming down the road and McD's system seems like it has a need for the right fit with speed being a necessity. If there is a potential play maker on offense at WR/TE I believe he will be the pick ... if not, the same applies to the D ... playmaker available ... pick.

It's because this team's identity has been formed (finally) and if the opportunity to extend the life of the team offers itself then I believe we will take it... protecting the offensive scheme's future will trump OL IMO

1A ... WR
1B...Edge/LB
1C...DB
1D...OL

That's assuming 1 A-C have playmaker potential. :cheers:
 
The team has so many needs that we really could go in several different directions here but we are not desperate at any of them. Could use an Edge player with two injured ones and an older one year rental. Could use a corner per the OP's analysis with 2 older vets and a 2nd year player we don't know what we have with yet. Could use a WR as Tyreek is getting older, Waddle heading into 5th year option year and our inability to generate much offense when one or both of them were missing time and or dinged up last year. Could use a tackle because Armstead will miss games and will likely retire after the season. Could use a guard since we lost Hunt and are depending on an often injured player at LG, with a bunch of lesser players filling backup roles. Could use a young stud DT with the loss of Wilkins however with the number of signings we have had there that doesn't look likely early in this draft.

So what to do? Grier has done a good job in that we aren't desperate at any of these positions, like need a day 1 starter to depend on now. We can go in a lot of different directions come draft day so other GM's won't know for sure what player(s) we covet. Much will come down to Grier's own board and what players he has a first round grade on, it may just be as simple as taking the highest rated 1st round graded prospect at any one of these "positions of need".

I'm still of the opinion that the best macro strategy for this team is to load up offensively. The defense will be a work in progress with a bunch of new players, several key injured players and a new DC. Although we could use a corner, use another Edge, I would postpone those needs and patch where necessary later in free agency while looking to the '25 draft when we have 10-11 picks, 8 of those in the first 5 rounds.

I doubt Grier would target a non-premium position so that removes center/guard from my consideration at #21. So that leaves Tackle and WR. This draft is supposedly loaded at both positions. For that reason a trade down if at all possible given the value would likely be my first choice and a strong consideration for Grier. Assuming we stay at #21, again tackle or WR for me, take your highest graded prospect at one of those positions with the thought of getting the other in round 2. If the draft is really that deep at both positions we could land a quality player at both positions.

IMO this team is going to win games on offense this year, will go as far as the offense takes it. Really can't afford to peter out like last year. Hit tackle and WR early and assuming we pick well the offense is strong at QB, 2 fast RB's and a quality FB, 2 fast WR's and a stud rookie WR to develop w/ decent depth in this system from WR 4-6, Smith/Smythe at TE and hopefully an at least average OL strong across the starting 5 but also with depth.

I didn't answer the OP's question about the exact surprise pick because I don't break down the college prospects so I have to go by what I hear on who's really good, 1st round grade, etc. I like to focus more on the position(s) being targeted, the macro build strategy. If looking for a surprise, QB would surprise, a Penix or Nix type. We still haven't signed Tua long-term and our backups aren't good so no matter what one thinks of Tua, we're just a serious injury away from a lost season. Not many teams double dip so to speak at QB when they think they have a good one but Green Bay has, twice, and it's seemingly worked for them. KC took Mahommes when they already had Alex Smith. Rodgers was the 24th pick in the draft when he came out, not saying any of the guys this year are that caliber but do you pass on a QB say that the FO loves just because you already have a good QB and think you need a OT/WR to better fill a hole? Yes most teams would pass on the QB but that doesn't make it right down the road. I'm sure a lot of teams have been kicking themselves for passing on Rodgers for so long those years ago for need picks that never amounted to much, or not for long compared to a great QB. In any event I'm not advocating for this just saying that would be my surprise pick. With edge, corner, tackle/guard and WR needs I don't really consider any of them a surprise.
 
An outlier opinion for sure but here goes ...
I would be surprised if the first pick is OL. I know the argument and I agree we need a solid line for multiple reasons ... first and foremost to protect Tua and give him a couple more beats in the pocket. But we did ok as a team last season even with the injuries and inconsistencies on the line. We have addressed it and along with an off-season of rehab our OL should be better... not good enough but better.

The offense has issues coming down the road and McD's system seems like it has a need for the right fit with speed being a necessity. If there is a potential play maker on offense at WR/TE I believe he will be the pick ... if not, the same applies to the D ... playmaker available ... pick.

It's because this team's identity has been formed (finally) and if the opportunity to extend the life of the team offers itself then I believe we will take it... protecting the offensive scheme's future will trump OL IMO

1A ... WR
1B...Edge/LB
1C...DB
1D...OL

That's assuming 1 A-C have playmaker potential. :cheers:
Interesting take. I think bc Vegas has had us taking Oline all year long on the betting lines, I didn't think it would be surprising. But the way you spell it out, I can see where your coming from.

It's an interesting viewpoint.
 
You have to plan for injuries at every position and db comp breeds excellence at one of the most important 'individual' positions.. sounds like weaver wants ramsey moving around more, having 3 starting cb's might be the plan
But so can DeJean, he'd be a huge upgrade and allow for Weaver to have 2 guys who could move around, really confusing an offense.
 
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