Zach Wilson I Still Don't Get It - Ewers Maybe?

[Etuoo33]

It most certainly is not. You can literally watch Tua go through his progressions when he has time.

You sure can but I think the coach and the OL has him so nervous that he only has a second per read to make a decision and deliver.

 

[danmarino7051]

@The Goat says Wilson is older
@AMakados10 says younger



I'm not sure of the point.

Wilson, like all other backup QBs during Tua's reign, isn't the right man for the job because the scheme won't allow it.

It's not because of his age or his failure with the Jets.

The coaching staff has nowhere to go if Tua goes down.
Unless the OL has finally been put together and the team can make the run game a weapon,
the backup won't be able to effectively match the timing needed to succeed.

The QB in this offense needs to not only hit the timing throws ...
More often than not, he has to move from his spot, eliminating the timing routes, find the open receiver, and most likely throw from a less-than-ideal platform or angle.

If a backup could do that consistently, he wouldn't be a backup ... or at least, he wouldn't be available.
If Tua could do that, we would only have to worry about him staying healthy.
And the problem in the secondary wouldn't be as glaring.

Until McD can give a different QB a fighting chance by scheming to his strengths,
Tua's health is the ticking time bomb on offense for the team.

Here's to a rejuvenated OL that not only leads the league in not allowing pressure but also keeps Tua clean all season.
And a second shout out to the run game that surpassed 2000 yards as a team.

The Goat messed up when he wrote “older”. He meant younger. The rest of his post is talking about how much younger Wilson is than Burrow.

 

[Springveldt]

Snippet below on what Zach Wilson is doing in camp so far and why. This is what I never understood. The Dolphins offense is very different from Zach Wilson's skill set and style of play. It seemed to me like they were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. This rarely works, and if it does, it takes time. I could understand drafting a high potential rookie with this profile as a 3rd QB, but I do not understand signing a backup with this profile. The job of the backup is to win games now, not in two to three years, after they develop and learn the system. It appears they really are asking Zach Wilson to do things entirely differently than he has, when he wasn't even good at doing it his way. Maybe Quinn Ewers is more cut out to play this way, I do not know enough. But I still struggle with the choice of Zach Wilson as the backup, assuming our goal was to win games if Tua gets hurt. For the now, I still think there were many better choices of backup.

New Dolphins backup quarterback Zach Wilson threw three interceptions and two near-interceptions during the two minicamp practice sessions last week. But Wilson offered context afterward, what served as perspective that should ease some of the concerns about the flurry of turnovers. Wilson is working on throwing how the Dolphins want him to throw, even if it leads to practice picks. “When I first got here, it was trying to find completions, trying to do how I normally play ball,” he said. “But here, it’s ‘No, we throw into space with time and anticipation’ [and] truly trust what they’re asking the quarterback position to do. “You see Tua [Tagovailoa] do it all the time. You almost need to say to yourself, ‘OK I’m going to throw this ball with absolute conviction and I trust they will be where they need to be and I’ll learn from the mistakes.’ As I get used to it, that’s almost more important to me [during minicamp] than trying to get completions.” Wilson noted that he threw an interception Tuesday “because somebody came out a little flatter than I was anticipating, but I ripped it with conviction. The ball sailed over his head. That’s the trust factor. Now I know he is going to run the route a little flatter and I still have to throw in that timing. If I had waited, maybe I still would have completed it. “But that’s not what this offense is asking. [What coaches are asking] is throw it on time in the scheme so these fast guys we have can catch it and get some yards after the catch.” Though Wilson’s career has been disappointing for a No. 2 overall pick, he said this is the first time in his career where coaches have told him he’s throwing late at times. Mike McDaniel, asked about Wilson last week, said that’s a common proclivity for quarterbacks who have strong arms, like Wilson does. “I’ve never been told before at past places, ‘hey you’re late.’ But here it’s an entire step above and with good reason. They want these balls out before our guys get to whatever their landmarks are because we are throwing to speed... Sometimes I’ll go to the right guy but it isn’t fast enough. From a coaching standpoint, that’s not a good rep.” Wilson has thrown 25 interceptions (compared with 23 touchdowns) in 35 games, so reasons for concern are valid. But at least there was a method behind the flurry of turnovers and near-turnovers last week.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article307824850.html#storylink=cpy

Interesting read and it's what I think most of us knew as to why the backups have struggled, they don't have the same anticipation as Tua, they can't see the space and they can't see the receiver being open until it actually happens and that's why they are late or hold the ball instead. Skylar looked afraid to throw the ball on his last start.

I'll also jump in now and say I'm waiting on someone coming along and saying "see, Tua just one reads and throws blindly to a spot" and for you to gleefully start joining in, so I'll won't be replying to this thread again.

 

[djphinfan]

I give Mcdaniel very little credit for Tua's success.

Tua was a highly touted prospect and high draft pick for us. ANY head coach should support their starting QB. I will not over praise McDaniel for doing something so basic.

If McDaniel was able to maximize our other back up QBs in all the games Tua has missed then I would give Mcdaniel more praise. But our QB play outside of Tua has been absolute trash. therefore, McDaniel is no QB miracle worker. His analysis so far for identifying QBs to run his scheme has been very poor.

In some ways, I think Mcdaniel is holding Tua back. the scheme with pre snap motions and McDaniel taking 10 years to call in plays, prevents Tua from changing plays at line of scrimmage based on defense looks and Tua has zero time to try to decipher anything.

I think McDaniels problem is the evaluation part

Signing Mike white, Skylar Thomson, Huntley, Tim Boyle clear signs they don’t know what the **** they’re doing

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Said it when we signed him, he doesn't fit this offense at all. Wilson and Tua are almost complete opposites in terms of their strengths and weaknesses. Last season we saw what happens when we have a backup QB with different skills sets as Tua and how drastically we have to change our offense. There were definitely better backup QB options that have similar skills sets as Tua and that would fit this offense better than Zach Wilson.

TBF, it is not uncommon for the backup to have different skill sets from the starter. A good OC adjusts the game plan to match the skill set, NOT expect the backup to thrive in an unsuited game plan.

 

[The Goat]

@The Goat says Wilson is older
@AMakados10 says younger



I'm not sure of the point.

Wilson, like all other backup QBs during Tua's reign, isn't the right man for the job because the scheme won't allow it.

It's not because of his age or his failure with the Jets.

The coaching staff has nowhere to go if Tua goes down.
Unless the OL has finally been put together and the team can make the run game a weapon,
the backup won't be able to effectively match the timing needed to succeed.

The QB in this offense needs to not only hit the timing throws ...
More often than not, he has to move from his spot, eliminating the timing routes, find the open receiver, and most likely throw from a less-than-ideal platform or angle.

If a backup could do that consistently, he wouldn't be a backup ... or at least, he wouldn't be available.
If Tua could do that, we would only have to worry about him staying healthy.
And the problem in the secondary wouldn't be as glaring.

Until McD can give a different QB a fighting chance by scheming to his strengths,
Tua's health is the ticking time bomb on offense for the team.

Here's to a rejuvenated OL that not only leads the league in not allowing pressure but also keeps Tua clean all season.
And a second shout out to the run game that surpassed 2000 yards as a team.

I thought I was exceedingly clear in my post; apparently not.

Zach Wilson is 2-1/2 years older RIGHT NOW (today, 6/17/25) than Joe Burrow was when he was drafted (4/23/20).

The point is that Zach Wilson was not nearly as polished a product as Burrow was when he was drafted. He’s still very young.

 

[TrickyWilliams]

I don't have anything interesting to add to this discussion except that Austin Jackson and Joe Burrow were drafted in the same year and Jackson is 3 years younger. Oh and I hope Wilson never sees the field.

 

[The Goat]

I don't have anything interesting to add to this discussion except that Austin Jackson and Joe Burrow were drafted in the same year and Jackson is 3 years younger. Oh and I hope Wilson never sees the field.

Austin Jackson was the second-youngest player selected in the entire draft.

The youngest was Noah Igbinoghene.

 

[HeyJayOh]

Here’s the thing:

Zach Wilson is 2-1/2 years older than Joe Burrow when he was drafted.

Read that again.

Zach Wilson wasn’t 2-1/2 years older when he was drafted than Joe Burrow was when he was drafted.

Zach Wilson is 2-1/2 years older right now. Today.

Joe Burrow was drafted over five years ago. But he was mostly a finished product, and an excellent one.

Zach Wilson wasn’t. He was incredibly raw out of BYU. He had insane arm talent and was put into a very bad offensive situation.

Interestingly, the offense he was in at BYU isn’t too much different than the basics of a Shanahan offense.

Also…you might want to look at the Bevell connection.

The thing with Wilson for me is how arrogant he was coming into the league. The dude was so entrenched in his mindset, he word a lace mask to the draft during Covid. He was once benched for not having enough common sense to accept responsibility for how poorly the team played with him on the field. He was traded before his rookie deal was up and the Big Apple celebrated when an even more arrogant and entitled a**hole replaced him.

That's a lot for a young man to absorb. That's a long road to travel and he did it in a short period of time.

Being brought in as a targeted backup - not competition - has to play on his mind. He was wanted by our coaches and not reviled. I think he probably learned a lot and I'd be surprised if his play behind Tua isn't much better than we've seen from Teddy B., Skylar, et al. I think Ewers has a higher ceiling due to fit, but I don't have a problem with Wilson, even though I hope we don't see him unless he takes the field in the fourth quarter of blowout wins.

 

[zullo1]

The thing with Wilson for me is how arrogant he was coming into the league. The dude was so entrenched in his mindset, he word a lace mask to the draft during Covid. He was once benched for not having enough common sense to accept responsibility for how poorly the team played with him on the field. He was traded before his rookie deal was up and the Big Apple celebrated when an even more arrogant and entitled a**hole replaced him.

That's a lot for a young man to absorb. That's a long road to travel and he did it in a short period of time.

Being brought in as a targeted backup - not competition - has to play on his mind. He was wanted by our coaches and not reviled. I think he probably learned a lot and I'd be surprised if his play behind Tua isn't much better than we've seen from Teddy B., Skylar, et al. I think Ewers has a higher ceiling due to fit, but I don't have a problem with Wilson, even though I hope we don't see him unless he takes the field in the fourth quarter of blowout wins.

I pray we never see Wilson throw a pass in a Dolphins uniform in a regular season game.

 

[AMakados10]

I thought I was exceedingly clear in my post; apparently not.

Zach Wilson is 2-1/2 years older RIGHT NOW (today, 6/17/25) than Joe Burrow was when he was drafted (4/23/20).

The point is that Zach Wilson was not nearly as polished a product as Burrow was when he was drafted. He’s still very young.

Ah gotcha, it was confusing the way it was worded. Agree that Wilson is still young at 25 yet experienced with 33 starts under his belt.

I’m thrilled to have Zach as a developmental backup. Heck, Skylar Thompson just turned 28 and was older than Tua when he was picked 2 drafts later. He never made sense as a developmental QB.

 

[Ray R]

Wilson may not work out and be the guy we all saw in NY, but basing that opinion on his first couple of throws in the preseason to WR’s he’s never played with in an offense he’s never played in is just dumb.

We are in a "target rich environment" of the "just dumb" right now, and it seems to be getting worse. - LOL

 

[clutch]

IMO, Z Wilson is brought here not for short term relief, but to be Tua's possible successor if he retire for injury.

 

[Golphindolphin]

IMO, Z Wilson is brought here not for short term relief, but to be Tua's possible successor if he retire for injury.

And you are here for comic relief, that's hilarious! Well done.

 

[Feverdream]

There is a specific type of poster/analysis that always amuses and confuses me.

Some fan will make a statement that this particular player has always been like this, therefore will always be like this.

You see this when they want to sign a fading name player (who they assure you will STILL be a pro bowler) or when a younger struggling player is signed and they'll assure you that this player will NEVER get any better.

Two HUGE honking beliefs. Poyer was not a pro bowler for us, and Austin Jackson got a lot better... but these 'I read it somewhere' fanboys just won't budge.

I don't think they can.