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Zach Wilson I Still Don't Get It - Ewers Maybe?

He has the physical talent.

I'd rather bet on talent vs need when it comes to backups. Can he put it together mentally? Cheap (relatively) rental contract to find out.

If Tua goes down for an extended period of time, we are most likely done regardless of who the backup is.
 
Yea it might be too early to judge him in a dolphin uniform but we have enough of a sample size to know that this guy just sucks. Because he is in a dolphin uniform, previous opinion shouldn't change. We were actually laughing at the Jets because of him. Some may have forgotten. If Tua goes down for any length of time , its all she wrote for the season.
 
Snippet below on what Zach Wilson is doing in camp so far and why. This is what I never understood. The Dolphins offense is very different from Zach Wilson's skill set and style of play. It seemed to me like they were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. This rarely works, and if it does, it takes time. I could understand drafting a high potential rookie with this profile as a 3rd QB, but I do not understand signing a backup with this profile. The job of the backup is to win games now, not in two to three years, after they develop and learn the system. It appears they really are asking Zach Wilson to do things entirely differently than he has, when he wasn't even good at doing it his way. Maybe Quinn Ewers is more cut out to play this way, I do not know enough. But I still struggle with the choice of Zach Wilson as the backup, assuming our goal was to win games if Tua gets hurt. For the now, I still think there were many better choices of backup.

New Dolphins backup quarterback Zach Wilson threw three interceptions and two near-interceptions during the two minicamp practice sessions last week. But Wilson offered context afterward, what served as perspective that should ease some of the concerns about the flurry of turnovers. Wilson is working on throwing how the Dolphins want him to throw, even if it leads to practice picks. “When I first got here, it was trying to find completions, trying to do how I normally play ball,” he said. “But here, it’s ‘No, we throw into space with time and anticipation’ [and] truly trust what they’re asking the quarterback position to do. “You see Tua [Tagovailoa] do it all the time. You almost need to say to yourself, ‘OK I’m going to throw this ball with absolute conviction and I trust they will be where they need to be and I’ll learn from the mistakes.’ As I get used to it, that’s almost more important to me [during minicamp] than trying to get completions.” Wilson noted that he threw an interception Tuesday “because somebody came out a little flatter than I was anticipating, but I ripped it with conviction. The ball sailed over his head. That’s the trust factor. Now I know he is going to run the route a little flatter and I still have to throw in that timing. If I had waited, maybe I still would have completed it. “But that’s not what this offense is asking. [What coaches are asking] is throw it on time in the scheme so these fast guys we have can catch it and get some yards after the catch.” Though Wilson’s career has been disappointing for a No. 2 overall pick, he said this is the first time in his career where coaches have told him he’s throwing late at times. Mike McDaniel, asked about Wilson last week, said that’s a common proclivity for quarterbacks who have strong arms, like Wilson does. “I’ve never been told before at past places, ‘hey you’re late.’ But here it’s an entire step above and with good reason. They want these balls out before our guys get to whatever their landmarks are because we are throwing to speed... Sometimes I’ll go to the right guy but it isn’t fast enough. From a coaching standpoint, that’s not a good rep.” Wilson has thrown 25 interceptions (compared with 23 touchdowns) in 35 games, so reasons for concern are valid. But at least there was a method behind the flurry of turnovers and near-turnovers last week.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article307824850.html#storylink=cpy
I will be happy when McDaniel get fired. That not fair to any qb. That not used playing in that offense.
 
Yea it might be too early to judge him in a dolphin uniform but we have enough of a sample size to know that this guy just sucks. Because he is in a dolphin uniform, previous opinion shouldn't change. We were actually laughing at the Jets because of him. Some may have forgotten. If Tua goes down for any length of time , its all she wrote for the season.
Thank you! Finally, some common sense and knowledge on this board!
 
He has the physical talent.

I'd rather bet on talent vs need when it comes to backups. Can he put it together mentally? Cheap (relatively) rental contract to find out.

If Tua goes down for an extended period of time, we are most likely done regardless of who the backup is.
You right. We are running offensive design for Tua style of play. That still can't beat good team In nfl.
 
There is a specific type of poster/analysis that always amuses and confuses me.

Some fan will make a statement that this particular player has always been like this, therefore will always be like this.

You see this when they want to sign a fading name player (who they assure you will STILL be a pro bowler) or when a younger struggling player is signed and they'll assure you that this player will NEVER get any better.

Two HUGE honking beliefs. Poyer was not a pro bowler for us, and Austin Jackson got a lot better... but these 'I read it somewhere' fanboys just won't budge.

I don't think they can.
Well I hated the Poyer signing and loved the Jackson pick, so I’m not sure where that puts me.
 
IMO, Z Wilson is brought here not for short term relief, but to be Tua's possible successor if he retire for injury.

Let’s temper that. Tua led the league in passing when healthy.

Zach is a reclamation project that was dealt the dreaded “Jets-hand” that has broken other QBs from Geno to Darnold. He was operating behind a worse OL than Tua. Let’s see what McD can do with him.
 
Snippet below on what Zach Wilson is doing in camp so far and why. This is what I never understood. The Dolphins offense is very different from Zach Wilson's skill set and style of play. It seemed to me like they were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. This rarely works, and if it does, it takes time. I could understand drafting a high potential rookie with this profile as a 3rd QB, but I do not understand signing a backup with this profile. The job of the backup is to win games now, not in two to three years, after they develop and learn the system. It appears they really are asking Zach Wilson to do things entirely differently than he has, when he wasn't even good at doing it his way. Maybe Quinn Ewers is more cut out to play this way, I do not know enough. But I still struggle with the choice of Zach Wilson as the backup, assuming our goal was to win games if Tua gets hurt. For the now, I still think there were many better choices of backup.

New Dolphins backup quarterback Zach Wilson threw three interceptions and two near-interceptions during the two minicamp practice sessions last week. But Wilson offered context afterward, what served as perspective that should ease some of the concerns about the flurry of turnovers. Wilson is working on throwing how the Dolphins want him to throw, even if it leads to practice picks. “When I first got here, it was trying to find completions, trying to do how I normally play ball,” he said. “But here, it’s ‘No, we throw into space with time and anticipation’ [and] truly trust what they’re asking the quarterback position to do. “You see Tua [Tagovailoa] do it all the time. You almost need to say to yourself, ‘OK I’m going to throw this ball with absolute conviction and I trust they will be where they need to be and I’ll learn from the mistakes.’ As I get used to it, that’s almost more important to me [during minicamp] than trying to get completions.” Wilson noted that he threw an interception Tuesday “because somebody came out a little flatter than I was anticipating, but I ripped it with conviction. The ball sailed over his head. That’s the trust factor. Now I know he is going to run the route a little flatter and I still have to throw in that timing. If I had waited, maybe I still would have completed it. “But that’s not what this offense is asking. [What coaches are asking] is throw it on time in the scheme so these fast guys we have can catch it and get some yards after the catch.” Though Wilson’s career has been disappointing for a No. 2 overall pick, he said this is the first time in his career where coaches have told him he’s throwing late at times. Mike McDaniel, asked about Wilson last week, said that’s a common proclivity for quarterbacks who have strong arms, like Wilson does. “I’ve never been told before at past places, ‘hey you’re late.’ But here it’s an entire step above and with good reason. They want these balls out before our guys get to whatever their landmarks are because we are throwing to speed... Sometimes I’ll go to the right guy but it isn’t fast enough. From a coaching standpoint, that’s not a good rep.” Wilson has thrown 25 interceptions (compared with 23 touchdowns) in 35 games, so reasons for concern are valid. But at least there was a method behind the flurry of turnovers and near-turnovers last week.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article307824850.html#storylink=cpy
Wilson came out of BYU, his skill set does translate well to this scheme, but he has to get back to what he did at BYU and frankly get his head out of his ass and put the ball where the receiver is going to be not wait for the him to make the break. This is similar to the concepts of the BYU offense so he can do it.

Unfortunately the JESTS badly damaged this kid.
 
IMO, Z Wilson is brought here not for short term relief, but to be Tua's possible successor if he retire for injury.
He’s a cheap lottery ticket. If Tua goes down it’s well worth seeing what he has.
Wilson came out of BYU, his skill set does translate well to this scheme, but he has to get back to what he did at BYU and frankly get his head out of his ass and put the ball where the receiver is going to be not wait for the him to make the break. This is similar to the concepts of the BYU offense so he can do it.

Unfortunately the JESTS badly damaged this kid.
Yep - this too.

Google his arm talent - 2022 tweet that is widely quoted.

“Next Gen clocked Zach Wilson at practice throwing 69 mph, which is the fastest ever for any QB in any setting. He's at least a B-plus athlete (was told the #Jets clocked him 4.5/40). The traits are TOP SHELF.”
 
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