flintsilver7 said:Does that make it any less important?
It's not clutch in the 1st or 2nd inning.
flintsilver7 said:Does that make it any less important?
nyjunc said:It's not clutch in the 1st or 2nd inning.
flintsilver7 said:...which is precisely why the term "clutch" is meaningless.
Ray Finkle said:Clutch and Arod don't belong in the same sentence, unless of course the sentence is "Arod isn't clutch".
Getting a game winning RBI in the 1st or 2nd inning isn't clutch, clutch is when the game is on the line.
flintsilver7 said:You're going to have to explain that. Well, first of all:
http://snap.stats.com/premium/sfa/stats/playerstats.asp?id=5275
http://snap.stats.com/premium/sfa/stats/playerstats.asp?id=5909
You'll notice that most "clutch" statistics - listed in the runners and outs section - are more or less identical when you consider something of an actually statistically viable sample size.
Check out the stats. If you bother to calculate the ratios for both of them as far as hits goes - the breakdown of at-bats and the innings - you would see there is really no definition of clutch. Both hit better in innings 1-6; both struck about the same rate; both got on base at about the same rate. It goes on and on. Rodriguez does have proportionately fewer home runs in the late innings; he has a disproportionately higher number of overall extra-base hits in the late innings.
MikeO said:so all of ARods GWRBI's came in the 1st and 2nd inning, while all of Ortiz's came in the 8th and 9th....lol you guys crack me up. Seriously.
Ray Finkle said:I looked at the two links and yes the numbers are pretty similar however I still don't consider Arod clutch (I'm not sure any Yankee or baseball fan would either). If you'd take Arod up at the plate with the game on the line then more power to you. I'll take my chances with Ortiz though. If you check out Jayson Stark's article he breaks down stats even further.
This isn't taking anything away from Arod because he's a great great ball player however I'd rather have Jeter, Matsui, Bernie, Sheffield, and even Giambi or possibly Cano up with the game on the line before I'd take Arod.
MikeO said:The Red Sox won a title this year? :confused:
flintsilver7 said:Stark, for some reason, decided to write an article entirely justifying his vote, which nobody else seemed to see the need to do.
flintsilver7 said:...which is precisely why the term "clutch" is meaningless.
If it needs to be done in the 9th, then it needed to be done earlier in the game as well.
finfansince72 said:Obviously I was talking about last years title.
MikeO said:But the MVP was for this year.......I'm still confused :confused:
finfansince72 said:He was the MVP last year too. Thats the point, hes been the most valuable player in the league for 2 years, its not like he just got hot this year. Sometimes one year wonder players are overlooked, hes not, hes gotten it done 2 years in a row. Arod has been a playoff choker 2 years in a row, he didnt deserve it. He wasnt there when he team needed him, Ortiz was.
finfansince72 said:Arod has been a playoff choker 2 years in a row, he didnt deserve it. He wasnt there when he team needed him, Ortiz was.