Anyone else think we need to draft a qb first round?

[GRT8]

we need alot of everything, but yes..........a younger line. Brady in the 6th is once in a franchise find. Don't count on that.

 

[thejetssuck]

If we draft a QB in the first round and put him behind this offensive line we will only be creating another Joey Harrington.
It starts in the trenches. Get a few REAL offensive linemen instead of these actors we have now, and an average QB looks good.
Then draft your young QB and let him learn the game without having to fear for his life on every play.

I kind of agree with you. I think we should draft a top tier left tackle, there will be some VERY good ones available this year. Also, Cpep will be healthy by then. I REALLY wanna see if LJ shelton can continue to kick serious *** as a RG on our team, I know he only played one game and it was against the jets, but the dude just DOMINATED!! Vernon Carey is turning out to be a pleasant surprise and Rex Hadnot seems to finally be settling into the C position.

I know alot of you think Cpep is done, but he is one of those QB's that if you do give enough time to throw, he will rip you apart probably more than any other qb in the league ( just like Kurt Warner would do during his MVP seasons with the Rams when he had all day to throw the ball). I definitely think Harrington is our guy for now, and I am hoping he plays well. Either well enough to just completely kick butt and be our unquestioned starting qb for next year ( which is a pretty unlikely scenario, but would be a VERY welcome surprise). Or to play just well enough to add to his trade value and maybe get like a 3rd rounder for him ( I think this scenario more plausible).

I also can almost guarantee the fins are gonna win this weekend because I placed a bet that Green Bay was gonna win outright, and the one thing I have learned about the dolphins this year is that they LOVE SCREWING ME OUT OF MONEY, just like they have the 4 times I have bet on them this year. But at this point, i think just seeing the fins win 1 game will be worth the 35.00 that I bet. And if they lose, at least I'll have solace knowing I won 71.75. So either way, I win.:D

 

[jlfin]

Brady; 6th round. NO we do NOT need to draft a QB in first round this year. We need OL, OL, and more OL. Then a LB, then a DB and then another OL.

Brady was pure luck. Odds of hitting on a QB after the 1st rd are very low. It is not often that a team is in a position to draft a top college prospect. When u get that chance you would be foolish not to waste it.
The best franchises for the most part drafted their franchise QB's.
Football 101- you build a team around a QB and a solid defense.
What if JH is not the answer? What if DC never regains his old form? Are u willing to start next season counting on DC? If he struggles early,then what do u do? The season is shot once again.
Right now there are no guarantees when it comes to DC so if we are picking in the top 5 we better hope a good QB is there.
The most accomplished QB's in the league were 1st rounders-Manning, McNabb, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rivers, Pennington, Leftwich, Vick. Carr, Eli Manning and Alex Smith have potential to be very good.
Kelly, Elway, Marino and Aikman were drafted to be franchise QB's.
There is no O-lineman (no matter how good) that can ever impact your team as much as a franchise QB.

 

[jlfin]

6th brady, Gradkoski 6th. draft later. culpepper and harrington are better than a ryan leaf. Dont you agree. we need o line and more o line!

Cherry picking. The odds are MUCH greater that a 1st rd talent will succeed.
Relying on a mid round pick is a huge gamble.

 

[DonShula84]

Cherry picking. The odds are MUCH greater that a 1st rd talent will succeed.
Relying on a mid round pick is a huge gamble.

We do have two QBs on our roster who were taken pretty high in the first round.

 

[Crzynick25]

Brady is the exception, not the rule. Look at the other qbs.
Matt Leinart, Vince Young both look solid.

Peyton Manning, Donovan Mcnabb, Chad Pennington, Michael Vick, David Carr, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, JP Losman, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Rex Grossman,

Those are all first round picks, not to mention daunte and joey are former first rounders. My point is that the first round QBs are usually starting in this league. There are exceptions like matt hasselbeck, favre, and delhomme, but most of the time the first rounders are the ones who succeed that's why they are first rounders.

But for every one of these guys there is a Ryan Leaf, Cade Mcnown, Akili Smith, Rich Mirer, Kyle Boller, Tim Couch, Jim Druckenmiller. This list goes on and on, you need to have a team around your QB especially a Line, no rookie QB is going to coming in and be great the only exception to that rule was Big Ben but Pittsburg had a great team around him.

 

[QrtBck13]

Brady; 6th round. NO we do NOT need to draft a QB in first round this year. We need OL, OL, and more OL. Then a LB, then a DB and then another OL.

my friend name me five starting QB's that have not been drafted in the first round? 5 out of 32 if thier is that many thier prob is but still a 6th rounder to be the next montan its rare!!!

 

[jlfin]

But for every one of these guys there is a Ryan Leaf, Cade Mcnown, Akili Smith, Rich Mirer, Kyle Boller, Tim Couch, Jim Druckenmiller. This list goes on and on, you need to have a team around your QB especially a Line, no rookie QB is going to coming in and be great the only exception to that rule was Big Ben but Pittsburg had a great team around him.

Why don't you mention all the no names drafted in rds 3-7 who never even made it out of training camp? You couldn't fit them on a single post.
When you build a team you have to play the odds and the odds of hitting on a franchise QB are much higher when they are drafted early in the 1st rd.

 

[jlfin]

We do have two QBs on our roster who were taken pretty high in the first round.

Once again, its a matter of playing the odds. I can give you a list of 1st rd picks in any position that never made it.
Many people keep bringing up Thomas from Wisconsin. Ever hear of a guy named Robert Gallery? How about Mike Williams?

 

[jlfin]

But for every one of these guys there is a Ryan Leaf, Cade Mcnown, Akili Smith, Rich Mirer, Kyle Boller, Tim Couch, Jim Druckenmiller. This list goes on and on, you need to have a team around your QB especially a Line, no rookie QB is going to coming in and be great the only exception to that rule was Big Ben but Pittsburg had a great team around him.

Jim Druckenmiller was drafted by the 49'ers and they were pretty good. He just stunk.

 

[Pocoloco]

only if Quinn is there. that guy is as much a no-brainer as you can find

 

[Crzynick25]

Why don't you mention all the no names drafted in rds 3-7 who never even made it out of training camp? You couldn't fit them on a single post.
When you build a team you have to play the odds and the odds of hitting on a franchise QB are much higher when they are drafted early in the 1st rd.

because the post i was responding to was first round QB's not rould 3-7 players you never made it out of camp, and im saying that for ever starting 1st round QB there is a 1st round QB that didnt make it in this league so just because you take a QB in the first round doesnt mean they will automatcally be great

 

[DonShula84]

Once again, its a matter of playing the odds. I can give you a list of 1st rd picks in any position that never made it.
Many people keep bringing up Thomas from Wisconsin. Ever hear of a guy named Robert Gallery? How about Mike Williams?

I wouldnt write either of those players off yet, though a lot of people argued at the time that Mike Williams had bust written all over him

 

[PhinFan0202]

only if Quinn is there. that guy is as much a no-brainer as you can find

He's clutch when it comes to winning close games.

 

[Stitches]

my friend name me five starting QB's that have not been drafted in the first round? 5 out of 32 if thier is that many thier prob is but still a 6th rounder to be the next montan its rare!!!

Starters from this season who weren't first round picks:

Oak: Aaron brooks and Andrew Walter
Tampa: Bruce Gradkowski and Chris Simms
GB: Brett Favre
NE: Tom Brady
Arizona: Kurt Warner (at the beginning of the season)
KC: Trent Green and Damon Huard
Car: Jake Delhomme
Seattle: Matt Hasselback
Minn: Brad Johnson
Cleveland: Charlie Frye
Pitt: Charlie Batch
Washington: Mark Brunell
Detroit: Jon Kitna
St Louis: Marc Bulger
Denver: Jake Plummer

Even throwing out Batch, that's 14 teams with starters whom were taken outside of the first round.

Let's even see how many teams have used starters this season that they didn't even draft:

Miami: Joey H and Daunte Culpepper
Ravens: Steve Mcnair
Broncos: Jake Plummer
Chiefs: Trent Green and Damon Huard
Steelers: Charlie Batch
Chargers: Phillip Rivers
Titans: Kerry Collins
Cardinals: Kurt Warner
Panthers: Jake Delhomme
Cowboys: Drew Bledsoe
Packers: Brett Favre
Vikings: Brad Johnson(not 1st stint on team)
Saints: Drew Brees
Giants: Eli Manning
Seahawks: Matt Hasselback
Redskins: Mark Brunell
Rams: Marc Bulger

That's 19 starters on 17 teams that didn't draft them.

Let's even look at super bowl QB's over the past 6 seasons or so:

XL: Pit- Ben Roethlisberger(1st round) vs Sea-Matt hasselback(not team that drafted him, not a 1st round pick)
XXXIX: NE- Tom Brady(6th round pick) vs Phi- Donovan Mcnabb(1st round)
XXXVIII: NE- Tom Brady(6th round) vs. Car- Jake Delhomme(not on team that drafted him, undrafted for that matter)
XXXVII: Oak- Rich Gannon(4th rd pick, no on team that drafted him) vs. TB- Brad Johnson(9th rd pick, not on team that drafted him)
XXXVI: NE- Tom Brady(6th rd) vs STL- Kurt Warner(not on team that drafted him, undrafted)
XXXV: BAL- Trent Dilfer(1st rd, not on team that drafted him) vs. NYG- Kerry Collins(1st rd pick, not on team that drafted him)
XXXIV: STL- Kurt Warner(undrafted) vs. TEN- Steve Mcnair(1st rd pick)

That's 9 different QB's that either weren't 1st round picks, or weren't playing for the team that drafted them. 7 super bowls, 11 times a QB started that wasn't a 1st round pick or wasn't with the team that drafted him(only once was the winning Qb a 1st rd pick and for the team that drafted them). And Roethlisberger and Brady are the only QBs up there that won the Super Bowl for the team that drafted them, and again Roethlisberger is the only one of those two who is a first round pick.

I think all of this shows that we don't NEED to draft a Qb with our first pick THIS upcoming draft. We have just as good of a chance with someone elses first round pick as our QB.

Our first rd pick should be used elsewhere. Whether that is OL, Defense, or BPA(*cough Calvin Johnson cough*).

Now I don't want to see another thread about people being sick of us not using a 1st round pick on a QB, or I will just repost this into every single one of those threads.

EDIT: And if you want to mention John Elway, remember he wasn't even drafted by the Broncos. Same thing goes for Steve Young not being drafted by the 49ers, and Joe Montana being a 3rd round pick. Brett favre wasn't a 1st rounder or drafted by the Packers. So everyone can just stuff it now.