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[nyjunc]

Again, why is it that Manning chokes when they lose yet Brady's "D" chokes when they lose?

Points are points. A TD in the 1st quarter is 6 points. Is a TD in the 4th quarter somehow count for more? No. The Pats choked in their last Super Bowl. The defense held up their end of the bargain. The defense played EXACTLY the same as it did all season by giving up their average points, 17. The offense, however, put up 14 pts when they average 38 that season.


I've proven to you time and time again with facts, objective data and stats that Manning's numbers are nearly identical to Brady's in the PLAYOFF'S! There is no denying it. They are right there. I've also shown that Manning's team lose more often when they don't score at least 25 points. I've shown that Brady's team wins more often when they don't score 25 pts.

Brady can't win when his team doesn't have a top 5 defense. It's been proven over and over. I'm not sure how you are getting that the Colts "D" somehow magically plays better in the post season while the Pats "D" play worse. The numbers show otherwise. The Pats "D" give up 6 fewer points per game and allow the Pats offense to only need field goals to win most games. Brady has NEVER led his team to a game winning TD drive. Not once. I would have never guessed that by the way the media and homer's talk about him, but it's true. Look it up.

I ask again- when has peyton ever led his O to pts in the last few mins to tie or take the lead only to watch his D blow it?

When has an INdy D blown a big lead in the 4th qtr of a playoff game? It's happened multiple times w/ the Pats D.


No offense but you have proven nothing. You have thrown out random results based on points allowed but ignore the fact that Peyton in playoff losses has led his O's to less than 14 PPG.



Brady has won plenty when his supposed top 5 D didn't play like a top 5 D.

The #s show otherwise?

Colts Ds PA and O points scored:

1999 reg season: 21 PPG allowed, scored 26.4 PPG scored
1999 post: 19 pts, 16(7 in garbage time)
D was +2, O was -10

2000 reg: 20 PPG allowed, 27 PPG scored
2000 post: 17(in regulation), 17
D was +3, O was -10

2002 reg: 20 PPG allowed, 22 PPG scored
2002 post: 41 allowed, ZERO scored
D was -21, O was -22

2003 Reg: 21 PPG allowed, 28 PPG scored
2003 post: 19 PPG allowed(22 in loss), 31 PPG scored(14 in loss)
D was +2, O was +3

2004 Reg: 22 PPG allowed, 33 PPG scored
2004 Post: 22 PPG allowed, 26 PPG scored
D was even, O was -7

2005 Reg: 15 PPG allowed, 27, PPG scored
2005 Post: 21 allowed, 18 scored
D was -6, O was -9

2006 Reg: 23 PPG allowed, 27 PPG scored
2006 Post: 13 PPG allowed, 25 PPG scored
D was +10, O was -2

2007 Reg: 16 PPG allowed, 28 PPG scored
2007 Post: 28 allowed, 24 scored
D was -12, O was -4

2008 Reg: 19 PPG allowed, 24 PPG scored
2008 Post: 17 allowed(in reg), 17 scored
D was +2, O was -7

In total: D -20, O -68
The D was +5 times, -3times and even once
The O was +ONE time, -8 times


The Pats D gives up less than 2 PPG less than Indy in postseason. The D's are close, what seperates the teams is the play at QB.

 

[MarinePhinFan]

I ask again- when has peyton ever led his O to pts in the last few mins to tie or take the lead only to watch his D blow it?

When has an INdy D blown a big lead in the 4th qtr of a playoff game? It's happened multiple times w/ the Pats D.


No offense but you have proven nothing. You have thrown out random results based on points allowed but ignore the fact that Peyton in playoff losses has led his O's to less than 14 PPG.



Brady has won plenty when his supposed top 5 D didn't play like a top 5 D.

The #s show otherwise?

Colts Ds PA and O points scored:

1999 reg season: 21 PPG allowed, scored 26.4 PPG scored
1999 post: 19 pts, 16(7 in garbage time)
D was +2, O was -10

2000 reg: 20 PPG allowed, 27 PPG scored
2000 post: 17(in regulation), 17
D was +3, O was -10

2002 reg: 20 PPG allowed, 22 PPG scored
2002 post: 41 allowed, ZERO scored
D was -21, O was -22

2003 Reg: 21 PPG allowed, 28 PPG scored
2003 post: 19 PPG allowed(22 in loss), 31 PPG scored(14 in loss)
D was +2, O was +3

2004 Reg: 22 PPG allowed, 33 PPG scored
2004 Post: 22 PPG allowed, 26 PPG scored
D was even, O was -7

2005 Reg: 15 PPG allowed, 27, PPG scored
2005 Post: 21 allowed, 18 scored
D was -6, O was -9

2006 Reg: 23 PPG allowed, 27 PPG scored
2006 Post: 13 PPG allowed, 25 PPG scored
D was +10, O was -2

2007 Reg: 16 PPG allowed, 28 PPG scored
2007 Post: 28 allowed, 24 scored
D was -12, O was -4

2008 Reg: 19 PPG allowed, 24 PPG scored
2008 Post: 17 allowed(in reg), 17 scored
D was +2, O was -7

In total: D -20, O -68
The D was +5 times, -3times and even once
The O was +ONE time, -8 times


The Pats D gives up less than 2 PPG less than Indy in postseason. The D's are close, what seperates the teams is the play at QB.

2001-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 17 pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 15 pts/ game

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 23pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 20pts/game


2003-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 15pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 22pts/game *

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 22pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 23pts/game

*Tom Brady's INT led to 7 points in the Super Bowl


2004-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 16pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 17pts/game

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 27pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 28pts/game

As you can see both the offense and defense have played pretty much the same in the regular and post seasons. So when did his top 5 defense not play like a top 5 defense?

 

[MarinePhinFan]

I'm not sure where you got your 2ppg difference between the Pats and Colts in the post season.

In the post season, all playoff and super bowl games included, the Pats "D" gives up 17 points on average.

The Colts "D" gives up 23 pts per game in the post season.

That's a big difference especially when the Pats only need 3 points to win a Super Bowl.

 

[nyjunc]

2001-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 17 pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 15 pts/ game

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 23pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 20pts/game


2003-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 15pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 22pts/game *

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 22pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 23pts/game

*Tom Brady's INT led to 7 points in the Super Bowl


2004-

Regular Season- Pats "D" gave up 16pts/game
Post Season- Pats "D" gave up 17pts/game

Regular Season- Pats "O" scored 27pts/game
Post Season- Pats "O" scored 28pts/game

As you can see both the offense and defense have played pretty much the same in the regular and post seasons. So when did his top 5 defense not play like a top 5 defense?

So it's Brady's fault for that one TD, do you really want me to go back and look up all the Manning INT's that led to TDs for the opponents?


2001 is the year the Pats D played great...UNTIL the 4th qtr of the SUPER BOWL when they nblew a 14 pt lead.


The 2001 SB when they gave up 14 4th qtr pts
The 2003 SB when they gave up 19 4th qtr points
The 2004 AFC Title Game

The D seemed to perform when they played that choker Peyton and the Colts

I'm not sure where you got your 2ppg difference between the Pats and Colts in the post season.

In the post season, all playoff and super bowl games included, the Pats "D" gives up 17 points on average.

The Colts "D" gives up 23 pts per game in the post season.

That's a big difference especially when the Pats only need 3 points to win a Super Bowl.

Colts D Postseason PA:

1999: 19 to Ten
2000: 17 in reg to Miami
2002: 41 to NYJ
2003: 10 to Den, 24 to KC, 22 to NE
2004: 24 to Den, 20 to NE
2005: 21 to Pitt
2006: 8 to KC, 6 to Bal, 27 to NE, 10 to Chi
2007: 28 to SD
2008: 17 in reg to SD

294 pts in regulation in 15 games for an average of 19.6

NE:

2001: 13 to oak, 17 to Pitt, 17 to SL
2003: 14 to Ten, 14 to Indy, 29 to car
2004: 3 to Indy, 27 to pitt, 21 to philly
2005: 3 to jax, 27 to Den
2006: 16 to NYJ, 21 to SD, 38 to Indy
2007: 20 to Jax, 12 to SD, 17 to NYG

309 pts allowed in regulation in 17 games for an average of 18.2 PPG

19.6-18.2=1.4 PPG


Why does the D get the blame for allowing a Peyton INT for a TD or a K/PR for a TD?

 

[MarinePhinFan]

So it's Brady's fault for that one TD, do you really want me to go back and look up all the Manning INT's that led to TDs for the opponents?


2001 is the year the Pats D played great...UNTIL the 4th qtr of the SUPER BOWL when they nblew a 14 pt lead.


The 2001 SB when they gave up 14 4th qtr pts
The 2003 SB when they gave up 19 4th qtr points
The 2004 AFC Title Game

The D seemed to perform when they played that choker Peyton and the Colts






Colts D Postseason PA:

1999: 19 to Ten
2000: 17 in reg to Miami
2002: 41 to NYJ
2003: 10 to Den, 24 to KC, 22 to NE
2004: 24 to Den, 20 to NE
2005: 21 to Pitt
2006: 8 to KC, 6 to Bal, 27 to NE, 10 to Chi
2007: 28 to SD
2008: 17 in reg to SD

294 pts in regulation in 15 games for an average of 19.6

NE:

2001: 13 to oak, 17 to Pitt, 17 to SL
2003: 14 to Ten, 14 to Indy, 29 to car
2004: 3 to Indy, 27 to pitt, 21 to philly
2005: 3 to jax, 27 to Den
2006: 16 to NYJ, 21 to SD, 38 to Indy
2007: 20 to Jax, 12 to SD, 17 to NYG

309 pts allowed in regulation in 17 games for an average of 18.2 PPG

19.6-18.2=1.4 PPG


Why does the D get the blame for allowing a Peyton INT for a TD or a K/PR for a TD?

Ummmmmm...No. You're fudging your numbers in order to win this debate. After this post I'm through with you.

Colts-


1999: 19 to Ten- 19
2000: 17 in reg to Miami- 23
2002: 41 to NYJ-41
2003: 10 to Den, 24 to KC, 22 to NE---10, 31, 24
2004: 24 to Den, 20 to NE
2005: 21 to Pitt
2006: 8 to KC, 6 to Bal, 27 to NE, 10 to Chi--8,6,34,17
2007: 28 to SD
2008: 17 in reg to SD- 23

Pats-

2001: 13 to oak, 17 to Pitt, 17 to SL
2003: 14 to Ten, 14 to Indy, 29 to car
2004: 3 to Indy, 27 to pitt, 21 to philly
2005: 3 to jax, 27 to Den
2006: 16 to NYJ, 21 to SD, 38 to Indy
2007: 20 to Jax, 12 to SD, 17 to NYG

Funny how you got these scores correct. :confused:

 

[nyjunc]

Ummmmmm...No. You're fudging your numbers in order to win this debate. After this post I'm through with you.

Colts-


1999: 19 to Ten- 19
2000: 17 in reg to Miami- 23
2002: 41 to NYJ-41
2003: 10 to Den, 24 to KC, 22 to NE---10, 31, 24
2004: 24 to Den, 20 to NE
2005: 21 to Pitt
2006: 8 to KC, 6 to Bal, 27 to NE, 10 to Chi--8,6,34,17
2007: 28 to SD
2008: 17 in reg to SD- 23

Pats-

2001: 13 to oak, 17 to Pitt, 17 to SL
2003: 14 to Ten, 14 to Indy, 29 to car
2004: 3 to Indy, 27 to pitt, 21 to philly
2005: 3 to jax, 27 to Den
2006: 16 to NYJ, 21 to SD, 38 to Indy
2007: 20 to Jax, 12 to SD, 17 to NYG

Funny how you got these scores correct. :confused:

Nothing is being fudged, we are comapring apples t apples and the PA should be in regulation. In regulation twice they allowed just 17 pts, that's wnough where that high powered O should have been able to score more.

AGAIN, why does their D get the blame when Manning throws an INT for a TD or a kick is returned?

Against KC they allowed a KR
Against NE they allowed a safety

against NE '06 Manning threw an INT for TD
in the SB they allowed a KR TD

The NE D has never had to worry about a score let up by their O or STs.