Dolphin chatter from Barry Jackson

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  1. fishfanmiami

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    ### If the Dolphins do not keep Soliai or Starks, they will push to sign a starter from among a group that includes the Giants’ Linval Joseph, Chicago’s Henry Melton, Baltimore’s Arthur Jones, Dallas’ Jason Hatcher, Atlanta’s Jonathan Babineaux or Peria Jerry, Houston’sEarl Mitchell and Oakland’s Pat Sims and Vance Walker and San Diego’s Cam Thomas. Also available: Minnesota’s Kevin Williams andFred Evans and the Giants’ Mike Patterson.

    ### Cornerback Nolan Carroll is expected to test free agency. The Dolphins want to keep him, but he wants to be paid like a starter, according to an official who spoke to the Dolphins’ front office. Miami is reluctant to do that, but a deal could still be reached.

    ### The Dolphins have decided to move Dannell Ellerbe to outside linebacker (weakside) if they sign middle linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, who visited the Dolphins on Tuesday and will choose among Denver, Indianapolis, Miami and Tennessee. Jackson, cut by Cleveland last month, will visit the Colts on Wednesday before deciding his next team.
    Philip Wheeler, if he sticks around, would compete with Koa Misi at strongside linebacker. Misi is Miami’s best linebacker against the run, which was a deficiency in 2013. Cutting Ellerbe (who is guaranteed $6 million in 2014) and Wheeler (guaranteed $5 million) wouldn't help because their cap hits are the same if they stay or go.
    Jackson was below average against the run last season but better than Wheeler, according to ProFootballFocus.com. Among free agent linebackers who were effective against the run, options would include the Patriots’ Brandon Spikes, the Giants’ Jon Beason, Cincinnati’s Vinny Rey and Houston’s Daryl Sharpton.
    Spikes, expected to move on from New England, would be an upgrade, but he’s not a conformist (he didn’t show up for voluntary workouts last June) and Joe Philbin likes conformists.

    Players can speak to other teams beginning Saturday but cannot sign with a new team before Tuesday.
    ### Among their restricted free agents, the Dolphins made a tender to quarterback Pat Devlin (Philbin likes him; Miami gave him an exclusive rights tender) but not to cornerback R.J. Stanford or tackle Will Yeatman, both of whom thus become unrestricted free agents. Danny Watkins' agent said he didn't expect Watkins to be tendered.

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...rileys-view-um-heat-luongo.html#storylink=cpy
     
  2. datruth55

    datruth55 Starter Finheaven VIP

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    I'd absolutely take a chance on Melton for the right price. If he returns to pre-ACL injury form that dude can be a beast.
     
  3. Hayden Fox

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    Thank goodness we can move on from Will Yeatman posts of him being an answer at LT. Nothing against Yeatman. Everything against posters that pinned for him to start at LT.

    I think Miami should play the market at DT. Nothing wrong with allowing for some dollar amounts to come down. Plus, more players could be added to this group after cuts are made.
     
  4. Ruckus45

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    Is it just my perception, but is Ellerbee too slow to play Will backer?
     
  5. hoops

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    most those big name dts are not good vs the run...wheeler at strong side olb ha ha good luck with that...jon beason is someone that interest me in a 2 down way

    no tender for will yeatman...guess they've given up

    kevin williams is washed up

    doesnt sound like lb is something they want to supplement in the draft if they can sign a veteran...
     
  6. ANUFan

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    My thoughts exactly!!! If you think about it Misi can barely keep up and I think Ellerbee maybe a little slower. Ideally, it seems to me that both of those players are ILBs in a 3-4 scheme. When I think of OLB i think of guys that can move and cover...
     
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    I think what is funny is seeing Fred Evans on that list. A former saban disciple
     
  8. MiamiDolphin618

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    Melton. Top 5 DT when healthy. Only reason he is seeing FA is due to injury...Id be betting on him returning to form.
     
  9. hoops

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    i'd sign for melton too but you need a plugger next to him...cam thomas would probably work for that in a rotation with odrick...and he shouldn't cost much...melton if he hits though will have a market...guys like jason hatcher off his sack performance in a 43 would cost more than solia or starks so that's out...

    melton could sign a one year deal to show people he's still got it and then try to cash in next offseason for big money...

    if cam thomas market is more than $4 million per i'd be surprised
     
  10. Nublar7

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    Barry Jackson's statement on Devlin is confusing. He calls Devlin a restricted free agent but says we placed an exclusive rights tender on him. Either he is a restricted free agent or an exclusive rights free agent, he can't be both. The difference between salaries would be around $500,000(exclusive) or at least $1.4 million for a restricted free agent(depends on tender level). Which is it?

    Can't say I am susprised that they are deciding agaisnt tenders for Stanford, Yeatman and Watkins. None of those guys is worth $1.4 million - $3.1 million that the restricted tender would demand.

    My next question is will the Dolphins place exlusive rights tenders on Jonathan Freeny and Michael Thomas? I hope so.
     
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    Its pretty similar to the Grimes situation last year. Not the same injury but I agree I think he will go for a 1-yr prove it deal. Cam Thomas would be a nice sign...there are a few pluggers in the draft as well.
     
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    thing about melton is he's getting up field he doesnt play a lot of assignment football...he wants to get to the qb on every snap...jason hatchers like that also but he exploded in 2013...

    i just think if you roll with odrick and melton as your starting dts the run d is gonna look ugly for more than just the lbs and de's...dt's also...these are gap shooters not contain guys

    offense under lazor better take it to another level to try and offset...
     
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    We already have Thomas for 2014 Nubs.

    Contract: view contract details[x]
    2014: $495,000, 2015: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
     
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    maybe they can find a fat DT in the draft. Like nix, daquan jones, or mccullers.
     
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    I'd pay big Paul. I like Melton and Mitchell but all 3 division opponents relied on the run in 2013. We would be in trouble without a run stop DT. I'll take Brandon Spikes, so long as he doesn't break the bank.
     
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    Spikes is terrible in pass coverage.
     
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    Agreed it would be a trade off. You would be trading off run defense for a potentially devastating interior pass rush with Odrick and Melton though. If that were the case...I agree they would need the 3rd rotational guy to be a plug. Thats worth the tradeoff IMO. Especially if the LB play could actually be mediocre this year...good grief
     
  18. hoops

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    just keep in mind that dion jordan must get snaps and in order for that to happen barring injury olivier vernon will kick inside in obvious pass downs to rush on the inside next to odrick...with wake and jordan on the edges

    does miami have enough pass rush snaps for melton odrick vernon and jordan if they brought him on...barring injury i don't think so...imo the smart play for us would be to land the plugger and then he wont effect snaps in obvious pass sets for others and jordan will get more run in the de rotation...

    if i had to guess that's exactly what they will do...go the plugger route...if they let solia and starks walk...cam thomas then makes a lot of sense to me
     
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    Agreed.

    But, Melton would play the Starks position ... just like Odrick ... and Shelby. I would be surprised if we let Soliai walk and tried to replace him with Melton.

    The OL doesn't really surprise me. Hickey is going to do a complete overhaul and none of those guys flashed special talent. We will bring in a FA or two and probably 3 draftees. More than just Martin, Incognito and Jerry are leaving. I'd guess Garner and Brenner will get shots. Le of the other reserves are likely gone.
     
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    Just re-sign Soliai. We have got to stop being in the business of parting with really good football players. He's home grown. Give him a fair contract and keep him!
     
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    please, no more Jerry's in miami
     
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    I agree 100% :)
     
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    He's decent! Let's not get carried away here and I can tolerate his attitude and slightly more consistent play compared to Starks.
     
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    i think starks and solia combined for around $12 mil in 2013...if you can replace them for say $4 mil to cam thomas and a rotational rookie dt early in the draft and pair them with odrick and maybe a aj francis as the 4th guy if he develops i dont think it's bad idea...pretty much half the price...there would be some give there obviously but that's money you can spend elsewhere of need...

    tough call i guess...depending on rookie dt stable play is about as dicey as it gets...i dont care what round you draft the guy in...position takes time...would be awful to be soft up the middle...already have that at the 2nd level
     
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    My thoughts exactly. To pay Solia the kind of money he's well aware he can get is not a good investment for his role on this team. He just doesn't have the kind of value to us (from a snaps/scheme perspective) that he would have on another team. But as you said, it's a tough call. I wouldn't want to be Hickey on this decision, especially if we get consistently slashed against the run next year.
     
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    Why not pay big Paul 6 mil a year and go with a gap shooting DT from the draft? 2 Mil more but a better player and space eaters are harder to find then Gap Shooting DTs. Just my thoughts. Still saving roughly 6 mil a year which could land us a very good FA guard.
     
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    As usual we will get caught up in kill-the-QB pass rush fantasies and will ignore the run.

    This team needs SPACE EATING DLmen who can own the line of scrimmage. We HAVE one and are already letting him slip away. We move up in the draft to get the guys who are the pole-end opposite of what we need because we want to be like other teams and play blow-up-the-box while leaving ourselves vulnerable to even mediocre runners.
     
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    I am watching what happens with Vince Wilfork to see if he is cut. I got a gut feeling that he comes back okay.
     
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    Really how we re-sign Solai, in our division you clearly need to be able to stop the run or you are screwed. Apart from that it looks like we are having a mini clearout which isn't a surprise with a new GM. It does however make you question how Philbin valued these guys, was Ireland riding roughshod over Philbin's opinion.
     
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    There are some very effective run stuffers besides Soliai in FA. Relax. If the team does not address that, then we can panic.
     
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    Jon Beason is a FA? I'd say go after him. He is actually pretty good on coverage and against the run. I am not sure how well he did with the Giants this year but with Carolina he was one of my favorite MLB.
     
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    I do feel out deficiency against run was more due to LB play, not DL play, so the idea if signing a traditional ILB and moving Ellerbe to OLB very much appeals
     
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    If they sign Peria Jerry; would the phins have to keep his brother?
     
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    How serpentine am I? I thought Yeatman had potential for ORT.
     
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    Well I don't know about you guys, but I'm just heartbroken at the thought of losing Yeatman.
     
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    :lol:

    If Rick Spielman or some other incompetent GM wants to give him starter money, God bless him. Good riddance.
     
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    Yeah, I want nothing to do with Spikes. Channing Crowder 2.0, from the college to the skill set, the attitude and the hair. I'll bet he'll be out of the league before he's 30, too. Slow guys only get slower.
     

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