Dolphins Draft Pick Set - #12

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  1. TrinidadDolfan

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    Well, our pick position is now set at 12.
    I agree that the win against Buffalo was totally meaningless. If we had lost that game we would be picking at #9, one spot ahead of the Jets in every round.

    Jump all over me with that "you NEVER want to lose" B.S if you want, at this point I really don't care, and applaud the Colts for their balls to do it. They must be still crying over such a terrible year in 2011, not.

    All I want is Philbin in, Ireland out, and cull the ineffective areas of the roster.
     
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    $100 says we will trade down from 12
     
  3. hoops

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    #12 pick...not bad...pretty happy about that actually...should be able to land a premium pass rush corner or wr talent with that pick...i got some targets
     
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    would you have any issues "reaching" for a reciever at 12? I would be all for it bht the perception seems to be that its too high for Allen/Hunter.
     
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    Jump off a cliff for all I care. At the time we won that game we were still in the playoff hunt, so that win was not Meaningless.
     
  7. hoops

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    hunters awfully raw as a route runner but explosive as heck...i think it will be a few years before you get big return with him...keenan allen i think is ready from the jump...and fits a need...i keep hearing he's a pain in the rear off the field but just about all these wrs have had issues...so i don't know that would deter me...

    i don't consider keenan allen a reach at #12...especiallu if he runs in the mid 4.5's or better like i think he will...

    mingo would be my #1 target as a pass rush specialist...and i like jonathon banks at cb who would give this team something it desperately needs at cb...ball skills and instincts

    it would be one of those 3 for me...banks has serious upside and terrific length...his best footballs in front of him imo
     
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    Not only that, the difference between 9th pick and 12th is virtually nothing. Im sure if you look back there have been just as many good players and just as many busts taken in both slots. Its all about selecting the correct player when it is your turn to pick.

    Having said that......

    Hoops, Slimm, CK....??? Give me 10 guys who could potentially be the selection at that spot. Dont just give me players you want us to take or players at positions you think we should take. Give me 10 players who could be there at 12. Dont assume a guy will be taken 5th and leave him off the list.

    I know I want to go offense with every pick this year, but I will discuss that more in the get real thread. I might be tempted to take a pass rusher at 12 depending on who is on the board at the time. I wouldnt reach just to take an offensive player.
     
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    How do you figure the Colts tanked on purpose? I hate assumptions like this. Total BS!!!
     
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    Ok. I will spill a little of a get real spoiler here.

    Again, I wouldnt reach just to take an offensive player at 12. If there is a dominant pass rusher there and he is the best player on the board, Id take him. But, looking at our cap situation and the amount of FA players available in both the secondary and pass rushing areas, I would be inclined to address the defense with all of that money we have. The defense is a veteran D and adding players through FA could be a good blend.

    On the other hand, offensively we are relatively young and have a QB who will enter his 2nd year. I see what the Colts did with Hylton, 2 TEs, Ballard, and Luck. I would draft an entire crop of players who would grow together on that offense in Philbin's system. I may add a OL or two through FA, but I would also spend 2 or 3 later round picks on the OL as well. Those first 6 picks I want to go almost exclusively WR, TE, and RB. Skill position galore. Young talented players who grow together in the same system with Ryan Tannehill.

    Put an offense together that will make us competative for years. The D is already good enough IMHO to let us compete for whatever goal we want to set. Every team can use more pass rush and more cover guys. Thats what defense is all about these days. You can never have enough. So Id love to add that, but our D is fine. If Mingo is the BPA and a WR is a huge reach at 12, I wouldnt have a problem taking Mingo. But, we need to draft at least 4 or 5 skill position players and a couple OL this year. I would also draft a kicker in the late rounds if there is another Blair Walsh or Legatron out there. If I want to improve the secondary or add a pass rusher, there are quite a few players available in FA and we have plenty of money to do it.
     
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    Having a better record than the Jets and Bills was worth it. Having a chance at the playoffs was a additional bonus.
     
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    there will be solid depth at wr in the 2nd round...plenty of guys who can play in the pros...the pass rushers will go high and it's a good class for them...good ot class at the top also...corner kinda ehh no one that warrants a top 5 pick...if a premium pass rush talent gets to us jump on it...

    mingos a top 5 bpa and premium pass rush talent imo all the way...you want upside that kid oozes it
     
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    TheColts did tanked, that's not even up for debate. Next you would be saying prove Roger Clemens used steroids. (Eyes rolling) BTW, I love your avatar, bugs is the best
     
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    some people have dee milliner as a target with that #12 pick i think ck and slimm are on board with that i'm not with them i don't think i'd hate it cause he's definitely talented and he's got length and all but i wonder if he's a little bit of a product of that defense in some regards...

    anyways i'm sure he'd be on the list
     
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    I see Mingo as a beast as well. Its tough to figure Wake to be as dominant 2-3 years from now. Mingo would give us a nice 1-2 punch with Wake and a solid guy to take his place in a couple of years.

    Stedman Bailey in round 3 is the steal of the draft. I would draft him as well as another WR.

    Hoops, where do you see the ND TE and the Ertz kid from Stanford going? Id love to be in position to draft one of them, especially Ertz.

    Im also very interested in the RB from Florida. Can he fall to round 4? Id take him with my other 3rd round pick if he is there. You cant have enough young talent at RB.
     
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    I don't agree. I do agree about Bugs though. Love my looney tunes cartoons.
     
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    good post. As much as I want a reciever I would probably prefer a cb round one as like you said recievers will still be avaliable in round 2. Smith is a good player and if he was paired with a smart tough CB we would be pretty much set at that position. Personally I would love Banks. I admit I dont know much about him but all I have read sounds pretty positive and he plays in a key position of need.

    Obviously if Jake Matthews, that pass rusher Mingo you are so high on or the elite linebacker is still avaliable then they should be considered but I cant see them on the board at 12.
     
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    i don't think baileys getting to round 3...but his lack of size measurables will hurt him some...terrific feet though...helps him get off the los...

    eiferts probably the first te off the board...somewhere in the #20 range...he's ok in line which means he won't embarrass you when he's out there and he can provide kick out blocks etc when he flows across the los in the running game...and he's the best seam threat and flex te in the class...great size also...i'd say no later than top 25 pick...

    ertz is solid and i think a top 50 pick...only thing about ertz is he's listed at 6 ft 6 but he doesn't really play to that size...kind of plays more like an h back on tape to me...not a good te class...a lot of developmental guys you have to sit on...

    5 ot's will go in round 1...go ahead and count for it...

    the florida back gillislee i'm thinking he's a 3rd round guy...
     
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    If, and this is a big IF, Manti Teo is there do we draft him anyways?
     
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    What the Colts did works out almost NEVER. If the Colts have continued success it won't be because they just got Luck. Besides this situation is a LOT different than getting the #1 or #2. We are talking about #12 vs #9.

    Good teams and organizations win year in and year out for a long time without doing this crap. Why do you think bad teams STAY bad in spite of high draft choices for years?

    When you have a lot of needs like we do now, the difference in one position is not meaningful.
     
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    I'm so hoping that Werner is there at 12 for us but I doubt he will be. Get one of the top WR's in free agency and maybe a TE as well and then we're ready for the draft. Werner would be my top choice at this point if he's there. Honestly, I don't like the corners that will be there at 12. If we move down then maybe a corner but not at 12...just my opinion....as far as WR, again, I don't see one worth taking at 12 at this point tho I might change my mind. If we get one in free agency then no need to take one in the first round but I'd still consider one more WR, maybe in the 3rd round. We need a lot of help. We're not just one or 2 players away like some people like to think......please, if we keep Ireland, I hope he doesn't mess things up........is that wishful thinking tho?

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    I'm glad we beat Buffalo ... and I think Bryan Cox said it best with his dual salute. Finishing 2nd in the division is something to build upon, and it also means round 2 of Luck v. Tannehill that I'm expecting to entertain us for a decade.

    If you look at the past drafts there are actually a lot of players in that 8-15 range that end up being superstars. If Mingo or Montgomery start using their incredible physical ability they will be talked about like Aldon Smith and JPP, both of whome were similarly drafted in that sort of second eschelon of not quite sure-fire prospects that have drool-worthy physical ability. Jake Matthews, if available, will light up the phones so any trade down will yield another good pick. Guys like Tyler Eifert, Justin Hunter, Cordarrelle Patterson, Xavier Rhodes or any of the great fit players going late 1st/early 2nd (where we have no picks) are certain to be targeted, and if we could get 2 of them for trading down, I don't see how we pass that up.

    We finished 7-9 and its safe to say that with a tad better place kicking we'd have finished 9-7 ... not bad for getting the team to buy into Philbin's regime. We stand to have one of the biggest infusions of talent this offseason and can build around a young QB with plenty of ammo.

    What's the difference between 9 and 12 ... not sure, but I do know we picked Koa Misi in the 2nd round of the 2010 draft and exactly two spots later in the 2nd round the Patriots selected Rob Gronkowski ... so maybe its less about that spot difference and more about talent (and injury) evaluation.
     
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    I think they should take a corner in the first round. I don't really like any of this years free agent cornerbacks and it's too risky to wait till the second round especially since this isn't a deep draft for CB's. There should still be some good pass rushers and receivers available in the second and third rounds though.
     
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    Well, we took Ted Ginn over Patrick Willis because we wanted a speedy offensive playmaker. Hopefully, we won't reach for need and miss on a great player.
     

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